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Guide to Patagonia's Monsters & Mysterious beings

I have written a book on this intriguing subject which has just been published.
In this blog I will post excerpts and other interesting texts on this fascinating subject.

Austin Whittall


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Monday, October 12, 2026

Lovelock "giants" revisited (Post 4)


Today's is the fourth post in this series about the redheaded giants of Lovelock Cave, Nevada. In it, I will discuss some points mentioned by Reid and his sources about a local cryptid, and the belief held by Reid that these tule-eating giants were in fact Neanderthals.


This is the full series of posts on Lovelock Cave's "giants":

  • Post 1
  • Post 2
  • Post 3
  • Post 4
  • Post 5
  • January 2014 post mentioning Lovelock Cave.


Neanderthals


Dorothy P. Dansie published an article in the Nevada Historical Society Quarterly, Fall 1975, titled John T. Reid's Case for the Redheaded Giants. Besides the documents about readheaded giants, she also added some context, mentioning skulls that John Reid believed were Neanderthal skulls.


Dansie notes that Reid was a mine engineer and geologist, however, he didn't have any formal training in anthropology or archaeology, but he was a smart person and sought the advice and support of professional scholars.


She adds that "Reid's research had led him to believe he possessed Neanderthal skulls", so he wrote to the leading antrhropologist in America at that time, Ales Hrdlicka. Hrdlicka together with William Henry Holmes of the Smitshonian Institution, and Thomas Chamberlin of the United States Geological Survey, refused to accept that humans had reached America before the end of the last Ice Age, and placed their arrival around 3,000 to 10,000 years ago. So, when Reid wrote to him about the possibility that the skulls belonged to Neanderthals, Hrdlicka rejected the idea, and "simply referring Reid to Hrydlica's publications on the subject."


But Reid didn't give up. Dansie reports that "Reid had read of unusual skulls having been found in Illinois, Indiana and Iowa and also of General H. G. Thomas's exhumation of skulls in Dakota Territory "... like those of the great gibbon monkey..." So he sought advice elsewhere.


The Dakota Skulls of 1872


I will add some context to this statement about General Thomas and the Dakota Territory skulls.


These remains came from ancient Indian mounds. Cyrus Thomas (1825-1910) had an eclectic career, studying medicine, law, working as a school superintendent, and a Lutheran Evangelist minister. He helped found the Illinois Natural History in 1859 and in 1869, joined the Hayden Survey of the Northern Rockies as an entomologist. In 1873 he was appointed Professor of Natural History at Southern Illinois Normal University. In 1881 he was named Direcotr of the Division of Mound Exploration of the Bureau of Ethnology. (Source). It was during his service in North-Central USA in 1872, that he arrived at what then was the Dakota Territory (now North Dakota), and met General H. G. Thomas there. His account (which can be read in "Thomas, Cyrus 1873 Ancient mounds of Da ko ta. Geological Survey of the Territories for 1873. Government Printing Office, Washington, pp. 655-658) tells us that he was taveling in the Territory of Dakota in the summer of 1872, and learned about some mounds in the area. The local military force led by General H. G. Thomas provided him with support and Sioux guides and soldiers to help him excavate the mounds.


The mounds were, according to Cyrus, 2 miles southeast of Jamestown, North Dakota on Pipestone Creek (now named Pipestem Creek) see the approximate site in Google Maps.


Cyrus unearthed several human skeletons and drew a sketch of the mounds. He found nothing unsual. He also included a text written by General H. G. Thomas who had cut into some mounds before his arrival (Source); below I quote the relevant part of it; the highlight is mine:


"The crowning argument however comes with the skull. It is unlike that of any human being to day alive on this continent the frontal bone being low receding growing narrow and pinched from the brows up the top of the head depressed in the center. The cavity of the cranium is full seven inches long and a scant four and a half inches wide. The orbital ridges or eyebrows are excessively developed like those of the great Gibbon monkey. In fact the whole skull resembles that of the great Gibbon monkey.
HG THOMAS Captain Twentieth Infantry Brer Brig Gen USA
"


Thomas believed these were oddly shaped skulls was not that of a modern human being. Of course Reid would believe that these primitive skulls were those of Neanderthals.


So, we will return to our main story, back in Lovelock Nevada.


Neanderthal skulls in Lovelock


Dansie wrote that "during the summer of 1928 Reid was visited by S. de la Rue and Mary Sasse whom he claimed were well informed on the subject, having studied in museums in Europe. They took measurements of the skulls and " ... had no hesitation in pronouncing these Neanderthal. ... " They returned to Lovelock in 1929 and told Reid that they had submitted the skulls to various authorities before depositing them with the Museum of Natural History in New York and that they were more than ever convinced of their first evaluation".


So, these skulls never became part of the collection of the Nevada Historical Society in 1984, who acquired Reid's original collection. They ended up in New York City. I have not been able to find any information about S. de la Rue or Mary Sasse.


Dansie adds that "Dr. Clark Wissler, then Curator in Chief, Division of Anthropology at the Museum of Natural History, in due time informed Reid that the skeletons appeared to be of a type of early man (MS February 1, 1933)."


A newspaper article published in the Mason Valley News, Yerington, Nevada, 02 May 1931, titled Much Interest Taken in Lovelock History reports that Reid had said he'd found evidence of the presence of Mayan people in the region. It also mentions the 7 foot tall skeleton discovered nearby by Lloyd de la Montanya, and Reid's collection and the Lovelock cave redheaded giants, described as "red-heads, known scientifically as the Sid-ucah or Neanderthal race." You can read the article following the link above. Below is a cropped image.


Reid, Mayas, and Lovelake redheaded giants

The shape of the skulls


An interesting point is that Reid corresponded with Wissler and sent him bones and artifacts. In a letter dated October 1930, Reid wrote to Wissler about a grave where "another skull had been found, which Reid described as being that of a typical roundhead Indian distinctly different from the longheaded, redheaded people represented by the remains in the shipment (Letter, October 30, 1930, to Mr. Clark Wossler, Museum of Natural History, New York City, New York)."


This is a new fact about the redheaded people. Unlike the typical Indians like the Paiute, who had "round" skulls, that is, brachycephalic, the redheaded tule-eaters had elongated crania, that is, dolichocephalic.


Native Americans have both broad and long headed skulls (brachycephalic and dolichocephalic). Shape varies between regions, time periods, and ethnic groups, but the Paleoindians were mostly dolichocephalic. Only later did the natives shift towards rounder skulls (brachycephalic).


The skulls of Kennewick Man from Washington USA and Luzia, from Lagoa Santa, Brazil were dolichocephalic, and date back to around 10,000 years ago. They were paleoindians. The fact that later and modern Native Americans have rounded crania suggests that a second, more recent wave of migrants reache the Americas, and these were brachycephalic.


Intriguingly, (Boggione et al., 2025) Neanderthals and Denisovans (Qiang Ji et al., 2021) had elongated skulls, just like the ancient paleoindians had.


My next post will look into the local myths regarding a hominin-like monster that lived in that area.



Patagonian Monsters - Cryptozoology, Myths & legends in Patagonia Copyright 2009-2026 by Austin Whittall © 

Sunday, October 11, 2026

Lovelock "giants" revisited (Post 3)


In this, the third post on my series about the redheaded giant natives of Lovelock, Nevada, we will dissect the article by Dorothy P. Dansie, published in the Nevada Historical Society Quarterly, Fall 1975, titled John T. Reid's Case for the Redheaded Giants. It includes not only the quotes published by Lowe with Reid's account, and several native accounts on the redheaded Indians.


This is the full series of posts on Lovelock Cave's "giants":

  • Post 1
  • Post 2
  • Post 3
  • Post 4
  • Post 5
  • January 2014 post mentioning Lovelock Cave.


Dansie's Article - Main points


The article tells how John Reid, a local geologist, and mine engineer, who was born nearby in Nevada, and lived out his life there, provided the two expeditions (Lowe's in 1912 and Harrington's in 1924) that explored Lovelock cave with information about the local myths. Reid, who had worked at his father's General Store in Lovelock, spoke Paiute language and was a friend of the local Native Americans. This gave him intimate knowledge about their myths, lores, and also about the cave near the town of Lovelock.


Dansie, who read his files, says that Reid mentioned that the first time he visited the site was around 1866, as a boy, in the company of Gilbert Natches (or Natchez), a relative of Sarah Winnemucca and a Paiute. Gilbert was accompanied by other natives, and the party was searching for wild horses. They camped by the cave, and Natchez told Reid the following story (highlighting is mine):


"A long time ago an indian [sic] tribe came into this country from the southward, this indian tribe was redheaded and they were very tall men, the Piutes fought them on the south and west side of the lake that the intruders crossed over the lake and into the cave, by the use of tule boats they were able to cross the lake easily. The Piutes followed, and when they found that the intruders who Natchez called "Umatilla's" [sic] but other Piutes refer to as the Pitt River or Modoc Indians, had taken refuge in the cave , then the Piutes gathered in council and decided that they would gather all of the sagebrush that they could get hold of that lay to the east of and above the cave and after placing this on the bluff above and setting it afire that they would continue to throw over lighted brush into the face of the cave until all within had perished from suffocation all the while having men so posted that any of the people within the cave trying to escape could be killed with well directed arrows. After a siege lasting several days, Natches [sic] relates that all of the intruders were killed, but other stories go on to state that the intruders were driven to the northwestward. I can only reconcile this lack of harmony in the different stories with the probable fact that where the battles took place to the southward of Humboldt Lake, it is more than probable that the intruders had their force divided into two groups', one of which went on the east side of the lake while the other went on the west side of the lake .... (MS August 8,1924, "Notes for Mr. Harrington")."


The origin of these "readheaded-giant" is relevant. Reid says that according to his Paiute friends, they came from the Southwest (as seen from Lovelock, Nevada). I prepared the following map to show the places mentioned in this text. Lovelock is the red star, in Nevada (Yellow), the southwestern direction is the Triangle to the lower left of the map, into California. Pitt River (also known as Pit River) is located in northeastern California, and flows into the Sacramento River. It runs through Modoc County. Both are mentioned by Reid as names given to these Indians by the Paiute. Interestingly (as mentioned in my previous posts), Sarah Winnemucca said these people were Tule eaters and lived on Humboldt Lake weaving tule bulrushes, living on tule islands, with tule boats. There are two lakes associated to the word tule, one is Lake Tulare, near modern Tulare and Fresno in California, now dissecated, a former lake and vast wetland fed by the snowmelt of the Sierra Nevada in California, and the San Joaquin River basin. The other in northern California has also been partly dissecated, and is located just beyond the western tip of Modoc County.


map Tule eating Indians and Lovelock Cave locations
Map with the places mentioned in this text. Copyright ©2026 by Austin Whittall

Since Modoc and Pit River are northwest of Lovelock, something does not fit. I believe that the Paiute found the Modoc tule-eaters similar to others "that came from the southwest", possibly from the region of Lake Tulare, in California (see map).


However, another story has them coming from the Modoc region as we will see below.


In this story, Reid tells us about a man named Dick Sampson, who was around 75 years old in 1924, who recalled a tale told to him by his great-grandmother about the battles between Paiute and these other (readheaded) natives. This time, we learn they came from the west, from Pit River: "She had told Sampson that those now called "Pitt River Indians" came in from the west" and that after several battles"They finally departed westward, back to Pitt River where they had come from".


They weren't redheaded either: "Sampson told Reid that he had never heard that those people whom the Paiutes killed at the cave above Humboldt Lake were redheaded, as had been stated by Chief Natchez." This ties in with the Modoc region, but depicts them as regular natives.


Reid also had other accounts by people who lived in the region. They said that the "Si-te-cah (redheaded tule-eaters) ... who escaped this confrontation were driven north towards the Pitt River."


But, unlike other versions, these tule-eaters spoke a different language; "Virginia" Jim recalled that they had called out to the Paiute "in mournful tones, " Yah-hah-nah-ho-week-ho-no," as well as he could remember it, but that he did not understand its meaning nor did the ancestors who told him of the incident. He thought it was a plea for peace."


In another story, a civil engineer named L. H. Taylor, recalled that in 1904, an old Indian told him about the fighting between the Paiute and "the people who had been in the area when the Indians came."


This suggests that these tule-eaters were the first, the original people living there before the arrival of the Paiute.


This fighting took place along Carson River (that runs from the eastern slopes of the Sierra Nevada south of Lake Tahoe, with a NE course into Nevada, draining into a closed basin (Carson Sink) south of Lovelock. This aligns with the SW direction mentioned further up.


The habitat of the tule-eaters was the lakes, rivers, and wetlands in west-central Nevada beyond Lake Humboldt. This idea is reinforced by another statement recorded by Reid, given by James Hunter from Lovelock, who had been told by a Paiute named Bung-Eye-Jim that: the Paiute asked other tribes of the intermuntain region for help, and they provided it, sending reinforcements to cover the Paiute losses, "to assist in an all-out effort to exterminate the enemy. Cooperation seemed assured because other tribes had exterminated the redheaded people in the surrounding territories and the antipathy toward them would lend impetus to the plan for final genocide."


The "Intermountain Region" spans California east of the Sierra Nevada, Nevada, Utah, and Colorado west of the Rocky mountains. It extends north and south between the Cascades and the Rockies (Washington, Oregon, Idaho, west Montana and Wyoming, Northern Arizona and Western New Mexico). The natives living here detested these tule-eating people. Why?

Sarah Winemmucca's red-hair dress


I have already mentioned that Sarah Winemmucca said she owned a dress made with the red hair of these defeated people. Reid had more information about this weird garment.


A native named Mr. Mah-Wee made a statement in 1927, who was around 76 years (or more) at that time. He was questioned by Reid, and the statement was witnessed by a government surveyor named John Runner. This was the statement; Reid asked the questions, Mah-Wee answered them:


"Question: Do you remember anything pertaining to a dress that Sarah Winnemucca had that was made of human hair?
Answer: I do.
Question: What was the color of the dress?
Answer: It was red.
Question: Was it a light or a dark red?
Answer: It was a brownish red.
Question: Describe this dress.
Answer: It was like a shirt dress.
Question: What became of this dress?
Answer: I do not know.
Question: How did Sarah W. Hopkins get this dress?
Answer: From the Sai-te-cah (Tule Eaters)
Question: What was the color of these people's hair?
Answer: It was reddish-brown, or a brownish-red.
Question: Did you ever talk directly to Sarah Winnemucca as to how it was that this came to be handed down to her?
Answer: We were not inquisitive and did not ask many questions as you people do as to what happened in the past, but, I remember the dress very well.
Question: How long was the hair in the dress?
Answer: It was made up of hair of various lengths, from a few inches in length to two or more feet in length.
Question: Where is Sarah Winnemucca buried?
Answer: I heard she was buried in Oregon or Idaho, or some place afar off.
(MS December 31, 1927)
"


So this witness says these people had red hair, and that Winnemucca's dress existed. It would invalidate the version that the hair of the remains found in Lovelock cave was red due to aging (chemicals, exposure, etc) or ochre.


Reid also recorded that Jasper Wright had told him that about 1920 Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins was with Yellow Tail at one of the Wyoming reservations above Riverton, near Casper, and she was wearing one of the coats with red hair." Sam Dick noted in 1930 "that the Si-te-cah dressed in those coats but the Indians did not."


Another account by a Paiute called Bow-E-An (aka "Skinny Dave"), grandson of Natchez and great-nephew of Winnemucca, narrated how his father, Pas-sa Dave (aka "Captain Dave") abot "people who had lived by the Humboldt and Carson Lakes in his great-great-grandfather's time. They had reddish brown hair. He said that some of them were about the height of Paiutes, but others were very tall. These people were called Si-te-cah which means "Tule Eaters." These people lived principally upon the lakes where they had boats made of tules and upon these boats there were built thatched houses made of tules. The boats could be bound together so that the people could step from one boat to the other as on rafts. However, the boats could be detached readily. The Si-te-cah seldom left the rafts except to procure necessities such as seeds and the stones for grinding them. The Paiutes, whom they feared , kept them hemmed in for a great many years."


Captain Dave met these people and they gave him some gifts: "... beads, a moccasin made of badger skin, arrow points made of sea shell, foodstuff, and a small dog which had ears that stood up straight. The Paiutes did not have any dogs. Since the dog warned the Paiutes of anything coming from far off, they thought he was pretty smart. [he] also brought lots of different things made of mud hen skins, such as neck bands of flowing feathers, and beaver blankets... There were a great number of the redheaded people who in the early mornings and evenings made cooking fires, whereas the Indians ate most of their food raw having no regular time for building fires as did the people destined to become their mortal enemies"


This story mentions the use of dogs by the tule-eaters but not by the Paiute, and that they also employed fire, which the Paiute didn't. Strange indeed!


Tall skeleton


In 1931, Reid learned about a skeleton in the lake bed close to the cave. He dug it up, it was "a large skeleton... 7 feet 7 or 6 inches in height. The difference of one inch ... is due to the matter of being unable to determine if the toes, lying upward, had been bent or were erect" A few months later "Lloyd De La Montoya of California had discovered the skeleton of a "giant" on the lake bed near Toy." Reid measured its femora and "deduced that this man had been "nine and one half or possibly ten feet" tall." Really tall! (2.9 to 3.05 m tall)


The article includes curious information about native monster myths and Reid's theory linking these giants to Neanderthals, which I will discuss in my next post.



Patagonian Monsters - Cryptozoology, Myths & legends in Patagonia Copyright 2009-2026 by Austin Whittall © 

Thursday, October 8, 2026

Lovelock "giants" revisited (Post 1)


Nearly 17 years ago I wrote a post about the Lovelock Skull and Spirit Cave Man - Nevada and quoted a short paragraph form a book written by a Paiute woman named Sarah Hopinks Winnemucca in 1883: Life among the Piutes, their wrongs and claims. Putnam’s. N. York. p 73. In it she describes how her people fought against a "small tribe of barbarians" who were cannibals, and who "had reddish hair". I remarked that redheadedness was uncommon among Amerindians but that Neanderthals carried a gene responsible for red tinted hair and suggested that "maybe a band of relict Neanderthals lived in Nevada until quite recently and were wiped out by the Paiute."


The story is longer and far more entertaining than my brief post revealed. Today's post is the first of a series that will look into other sources about these redheaded Indians, which, according to some witnesses, were giants.


This is the full series of posts on Lovelock Cave's "giants":

  • Post 1
  • Post 2
  • Post 3
  • Post 4
  • Post 5
  • January 2014 post mentioning Lovelock Cave.


The Version given by Sarah Winnemucca: Redheaded Cannibals


Sarah Winnemucca in 1883, portrait
Sarah Winnemucca, 1883 portrait. Source

This is what Sarah Winnemucca (1841-1895) wrote in her book (she had learned to read and write in English at a Mormon school in Genoa, Nevada):


"Among the traditions of our people is one of a small tribe of barbarians who used to live along the Humboldt River. It was many hundred years ago. They used to waylay my people and kill and eat them. They would dig large holes in our trails at night, and if any of our people travelled at night, which they did, for they were afraid of these barbarous people, they would oftentimes fall into these holes. That tribe would even eat their own dead —yes, they would even come and dig up our dead after they were buried, and would carry them off and eat them. Now and then they would come and make war on my people. They would fight, and as fast as they killed one another on either side, the women would carry off those who were killed. My people say they were very brave. When they were fighting they would jump up in the air after the arrows that went over their heads, and shoot the same arrows back again. My people took some of them into their families, but they could not make them like themselves. So at last they made war on them. This war lasted a long time. Their number was about twenty-six hundred (2600). The war lasted some three years. My people killed them in great numbers, and what few were left went into the thick bush. My people set the bush on fire. This was right above Humboldt Lake."


So, here we hava a band of "bararians", "Barbarous people", who were cannibals, warmongering and "very brave". The Paiute tried to integrate them but they couldn't adapt. The story goes on, describing how the barbarians fled in boats made from bulrushes known as Tule, across Lake Humboldt, and were picked off by the Paiute as they landed. They hid in a cave (Lovelock Cave) and were killed every time they left the cave to fetch water. The Paiute asked them if they'd quit their bad ways: "My people would ask them if they would be like us, and not eat people like coyotes or beasts. They talked the same language, but they would not give up." So finally they gathered wood and dry bushes and burned them alive in their cave. Winnemucca added: "This tribe was called people-eaters".


This took place in west-central Nevada, not far from its capital city, Reno. See Humboldt Lake in Google Maps. The map also shows the location of Lovelock Cave. The area is now barren, but during the period following the last Ice Age, it was a well watered region with lakes (the lake is pictured below, Source).


lake Humboldt, Nevada, USA

Winnemucca's red hair dress


Then she mentions that they were redheaded and that she owned a dress made from their hair!


"My people say that the tribe we exterminated had reddish hair. I have some of their hair, which has been handed down from father to son. I have a dress which has been in our family a great many years, trimmed with this reddish hair. I am going to wear it some time when I lecture. It is called the mourning dress, and no one has such a dress but my family."


The discovery of Lovelock Cave


The cave is mentioned by Llewllyn L. Loud and M.R. Harrington in their scholarly account about their excavations at the cave (See their book: Lovelock Cave, 1929. For a full description of their activities there).


Loud visited the site in 1911 once the mining of bat guano from the cave had concluded. During the mining period, bones and artifacts had been found in the cave, and many were destroyed, lost, or sold to private collectors. Starting in 1912, Loud recovered thousands of artifacts. In 1924, a new expedition conducted by Harrington went to the cave, Loude assisted him. The book includes accounts given by Gilbert Natches in 1914, Gilbert was the grandson of Sarah Winnemucca, her account about the cave, and the story of its discovery by White men, given by John. T. Reid.


Interestingly, Gilbert Natches mentioned a Paiute myth about abstaining from killing bears and using their fur: "bear meat was never eaten, because bears are just the same as a person. They understand our language and know when they are being talked about even at a distance." This is similar to what Winnemucca had said about the man-eaters "They talked the same language" as the Paiute. So maybe the redheaded people didn't speak the Paiute language.


Lowe and Harrington report the Paiute's belief in "supernatural creatures", who attributed to them the stone tools made in different shapes, and from different types of stones to the ones they knapped:


"They had spears and no arrows, while the Northern Paiute had arrows but no spears. They were mean, contemptible, foolish, degraded cannibals, had red hair which they were excessively fond of decorating with bone ornaments, and yet w'ere so poor that they dressed in robes made of the skin and feathers of the mud hen. In a collection of specimens from Nevada every object w'hich is unfamiliar to a Northern Paiute is attributed to them.
In the mind of the Northern Paiute they are often associated with the Pit River Indians among whom a remnant are even supposed to exist today. The Pit River Indians are called by the Paiute sai’i, which is also the name of the ancient people, but the possible reason for this is that both peoples are held in contempt.
Of the ancient sai ’i there were two bands. The first band, which is conceived, like any band or “family” of Northern Paiute, to consist of only a few hundred individuals, lived at Humboldt lake until exterminated by the Northern Paiute...
" [Source]


The book mentions Sarah Winnemucca's account (transcribed further up) including it as Appendix III, and reports that Gilbert had heard this same account from his grandmother who had learned it from her grandfather.


Lowe comments on Sarah's story and notes that " Much of the hair found on the mummies in the cave is reddish. Similar hair is known from mummies from the Pueblo region, Peru, and elsewhere, the color being due to age or chemical action." He also notes that "The Northern Paiute applied to the ancient people the name sai-duka’a, “tule-eaters,” a name which might be applied to any people with this habit. This may account for the application of the name or its shortened form sai’i to the Pit River Indians and the form Saidyuka to Indians of eastern Oregon".


Tule (Schoenoplectus acutus) is a variety of bulrush that grows in North America and which the natives used to weave baskets, mats, clothes, tents, and watercaraft. The tender shoots can be eaten, and the roots (rhizomes) and flowers are boiled like vegetables. The old, tough roots, can be boiled and mashed to remove the fiber to produce flour. So the name "tule eaters" or Sai-duka'a (also written Si-Te-Cah) given to these people is quite reasonable.


Finally, in Appendix IV, it gives "John T. Reid’s Accounts Of Lovelock Cave" which we will discuss below.


John T. Reid


John T. Reid, born in 1871 in Unionville, Nevada, died 1943 in Lovelock, Nevada. His father ran the General Store there between 1883 and 1895, and John was a clerk. He later became a geologist and mining engineer. His intimate knowledge of the natives and his interest in anthropology and archaeology led him to investigate the local sites, and also befriend the natives. Below is his portrait.


John T. Reid
John T. Reid, portrait. Source

This is the account given by Reid to Lowe (Source). Captain Natches is Gilbert Natches. Highlight is mine:


"I recall that along about 1887, when I was about 16 years old, Captain Natches, two other Indians, one known locally as “Coffee Charley,” the other as “Mustache Charley,” and myself had undertaken to catch some wild horses that roamed in the neighborhood of the Carson and Humboldt sinks. In due time we came in contact with the wild horses, and then the chase was on. After running those horses all day long we were obliged to camp over night near the southern end of the Humboldt sink and on its eastern shore. The next morning we resumed the chase, following the horses over into the Carson Sink desert. But here we had to turn around, homeward bound, since we had no fresh saddle horses available to pursue the mustangs further.
On the way back we passed Lovelock cave, and the hour being late wo decided to camp there for the night. Later, Captain Natches related to me the great calamity which had occurred in that cave to another race of people who had been exterminated by the Piutes.
In the tale that Natches related, with the other two Indians aiding him in bringing out all of the material facts that had any connection, I was informed that about four or five generations back the Indians had fought to extermination a people who were redheaded and who spoke their own language. The fact that these two people spoke tho same language suggests that they had lived together for a long period of time.
Natches assigned no reason for the origin of the trouble between the two races, and I doubt if he knew or had a history, although his sister, Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, states that these people were cannibals and ate the Piutes. This is hardly compatible with her further statement that the Piutes had taken some of these people into their own families.
Annie Lowry, a half breed, who married an Indian named Mr. Sanny, assigned as a reason for the trouble between the two races that these people had stolen their women and taken their wild rice seed away from them.
I rather think that the matter of food was the trouble and the Piutes decided after a period of droughts that they would exterminate the other people who were consumers of the small amount, that was all the while getting smaller and smaller, of food that was available in the form of wild seeds and wild fowl that visited the lakes.
Natches stated that these people had come from the southwest. A battle had waged for a long time on the Carson sink at some sand hills on the east and west side of the Carson river, after which the Piutes had driven these people northward into the region of the Humboldt lake, thence across the lake to the cave, some going into the cave while others went northward.
From what I learned through Natches, and from numerous others of the old Indians, I have deduced that this redheaded people had long occupied the territory about the cave before the Piute Indian had come from elsewhere.
Natches further related how the Piute Indians had gathered sagebrush in great quantity around and about the hills adjacent to the cave and assembled it on the bluff above the cave. Then they had lighted and thrown it down immediately in front of the cave. The Piutes staid on either side of the cave, at a safe distance, and watched for the people within to come out for food or water, or to escape the smoke which in part penetrated the cave. As they came out they were dispatched with well-directed arrows.
"


The story told to Reid by Gilbert Natches and his companions is identical to the one told by Sarah Winnemucca. But it seems that some of the readheaded people managed to escape unharmed fleeing north.


Lowe then transcribes an account that John Reid had heard from James H. Hart (Source). Hart and David Pugh filed a mineral claim on the cave to mine bat guano deposits in 1911. James Hart said:


"In 1911 I heard David Pugh of Lovelock tell of an old Indian cave some twenty miles south of Lovelock. He said that it was full of bat guano in which he had dug down four feet. When a boy he had learnt from the Indians where the cave was. There had then been fires in it for there was much smoke on the walls. Realizing that if the cave was as large as described the guano might be of value, I arranged with Pugh to file a mineral location upon it and ship out the guano. This we did, working from the fall of 1911 to the spring of 1912. We drove a small tunnel into the mouth of the cave, or rather to one side of it, the natural opening being too small to work through. We took out about five car-loads of guano which were shipped to the Hawaiian Fertilizer Company of San Francisco. Wd soon began to discover Indian relics, and notified Dr. J. C. Merriam of the University of California, who took the matter up with the University of Nevada and the Nevada Historical Society. We also wrote to the Smithsonian Institution, but they advised that they had no funds for collecting, receiving only donations. After some of the best specimens had been destroyed, we received word from the State Historical Society that, in conjunction with the University of California, they would send an investigator. This was Mr. Loud. We gave him all possible facilities for collecting. Many objects had been destroyed by the weather and others had been taken away. I recall many boas or ropes of fine feathers. As these lay strewn about in the open end of the cave in the way of the workmen they were irreparably damaged. Some of these boas were found perfectly preserved. All the Indian objects began to appear about four feet below the surface of the guano.
In the south end of the cave, "about twenty feet deep," we unearthed some skeletons. In the north-central part of the cave, about four feet deep, was a striking looking body of a man "six feet six inches tall." His body was mummified and his hair distinctly red. There was a grass rope about his neck with a knot under the left ear. The rope was about eight feet long. The feet were bound together from the ankle to above the knees with stout rope. The mummification was complete except for a part of the abdomen. The other mummies all had red hair — I think there were either four or five. Those that appeared to be women were small, something like a Japanese woman in height." This was not altogether due to the shrinking of the bodies in mummifying, because the man was “a giant.” The women had on moccasins which reached clear to the knees; the buckskin was beaded with shells. Two of them had on a kind of buckskin coat (gown) that came down to the knees. These bodies were from the deep south end of the cave.
There were no bats in the cave when we went there to work.
"


This is an eyewitness account of giant men six feet, six inches tall (1.98 m) which isn't gigantic, but, is tall. The women were smaller, suggesting sexual dimorphism, which isn't overly marked in humans but noticeable in other primates.


I also highlighted the remark about bats, let's see the relevance of bats in this story.


Bats and the date of the site


The arid and desert-like environment of Lake Humboldt, there are bats, like the little brown bat (Myotis lucifugus) in NW Nevada. They migrate and hibernate but live in small groups. There are over 20 bat species living in the state of Nevada. Any of them could have lived in the cave.


Bat excrement accumulates on the floor of the cave, beneath the bats hanging from the ceiling. This cave had 3 to 6 feet (90 to 180 cm) of guano (bat droppings, used as fertilizer) on its floor (see p. 8). But, as mentioned by Hart, in 1911 there were no bats in the cave. The accumulation of guano may have been old.


How quickly does guano accumulate in a cave? This depends on many factors. The seasonality of the bat population (do they live in the cave on a permanent basis, or move to other sites?), the population itself, and the cave chemistry. An example reported by Bogdanowicz et al., 2020 dated guano in two caves in Jamaica. In one, a core 81 cm long was dated to 200 years old, in the other, a 1.29 m long core was found to be 4300 years old. This confirms the different deposition speeds (4 mm per year in cave #1 and 0.3 mm per year in cave #2, a thirteen-fold difference.


Six feet of guano would have accumulated over a period of 450 to 6,000 years using the values given by Bogdanowicz. But it could have been even thicker; Lowe reports that "Before the arrival of the writer, 5 carloads of 50 (?) tons each had been taken from the cave for fertilizer. Besides this, a large quantity was left in the cave because it was so much mixed with other things that it no longer paid to ship it. Bat manure was sometimes found in nearly pure beds of perhaps several feet thickness." (p. 34) Lowe adds that "Although there was so large a quantity of bat guano in the cave no bats were seen during the writer’s stay; but a cowboy said that several years previously he had smoked out large numbers." Lowe and Hart saw no bats, is it reasonable to believe that they had been smoked out in the past?


While dealing with the bat excrement, Lowe says that "The human excrement in the cave reveals, on the part of the ancient inhabitants, an incredibly coarse diet of seeds, hulls, and tough plant fibers. Some of the excrement was over 2 inches in diameter." An amazingly fibrous diet, but also, weirdly large sized stool. Were these people human beings, or some plant-eating primate?


The bats, according to Shackley, M. Steven n.d. occupied the caves shortly after a wet period 7.000 years ago: "Heizer and Napton state that Lovelock Cave was occupied by bats at a date coinciding with the estimated end of the Altithermal perhaps as a direct result of the rejuvenation of Humboldt Lake. The initial buildup of the older bat guano layer may have begun ca. 5000 B. C. The earliest, although intermittent evidence of human occupation is in the Older Guano layer at ca. 2700 B. C. Bats and other creatures continued to inhabit the cave until about 2500 B. C. when human occupation began ca. 1500 B. C... Intensive occupation of the cave began ca. 1500 B. C. and continued until about A. D. 500. Due to a massive rockfall (ca. A. D. 440 ± 90) access to the interior of the cave was greatly impeded, but it continued to be utilized as a repository for the dead and for cache purposes. According to Heizer and Napton (1970: 41), human occupation of the interior of the cave was drastically curtailed, and this, together with the reduced illumination and air circulation made it attractive to bats. Thus, between A. D. 700 and A. D. 1911, a thick deposit of bat guano accumulated over the cultural deposits. Human occupation of the outer shelter and use of the inner cave probably continued until 1829."


So there is an "old" and a "new" period of guano buildup, one prior to 2,500 BC, the other after 700 AD. These are relatively recent.


In the second part of this series of posts, we will look into more information about Reid and the redheaded giants, following John Reid's Redheaded "Giants" of Central Nevada: Fact or Fiction? by Sheilagh Brooks, Carolyn Stark and Richard H. Brooks, 1984. The authors conclude that the people buried in Lovelock cave were not giants and also explain their origin of their reddish hair.



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Saturday, August 16, 2014

Tarahumara Giants in Chihuahua


Reading an old magazine (Smithsonian of May 1998), I came across the following text in an article about the Mexican Tarahumara natives:

"In the 1890s, Carl Lumholtz was told a legend about a race of giants ("as big as pine-trees") that had occupied the canyon country when the Tarahumara arrived. The giants ate the Tarahumara children and ravished the women. At last, the people exterminated the giants by tricking them into eating a mixture of corn and a poisonous extract from the chilicote tree." [1]


These are interesting giants which despite being as tall as trees are sufficiently nimble to have intercourse with human women. So maybe they were giants in a metaphoric way, but size-wise they were like us.


Giants, from my perspective mean "different humans", such as Neanderthals or Homo erectus; they were the way that ancient cultures declared that a group of people were not Homo sapiens, they were men, but not like us, they were hominins. So I decided to find what Lumholtz had written about them, and below is what I found.


Giants and Tarahumara natives


Carl Lumholtz was a Norwegian explorer who travelled to Australia and Mexico. He spent many years in Mexico between 1890 and 1910, during which he spent a full year with the Tarahumara people. His book, Unknown Mexico is the source of the Giant's myth quoted below:


"GIANTS
On the heights once lived giants. They were as big as pine-trees and had heads as big as bowlders
[sic]. They taught the Tarahumares how to plant corn, by cutting down trees and burning them, but they ate children.
A woman bore a giant in a cave, which was situated very high up on the side of a valley. She died, because the child was so large, and he was taken care of by his grandmother. Once when she was asleep, she turned over and crushed him.
From Wasivori (near Cusarare) came giants to Nararachic to ask alms. Tesvino
[Note: a kind of beer made from corn] they liked very much. They worked very fast, and the Tarahumares put them to hoe and weed the corn, and gave them food and tesvino. But the giants were fierce, and ravished the women while the latter were under the influence of the Moon; therefore the Tarahumares got very angry and they mixed a decoction made from the chilicote-tree with the corn that they gave the giants to eat, and the giants died.[2]


The paragraph before the one quoted above mentions a "Deluge", which filled the world with water. It, like most Flood myths around the World (and also in the Americas) must surely reflect the deep impression caused by rising sea levels and glacial dam ruptures with the consequent flooding caused by climate change at the end of the last Glacial Period some 8 - 10 kya.


This suggests that Giants (Neanderthal) were alive at that time, in America.


These giants evidently caused problems to the human mothers bearing them, but I don't think that size was the issue (the baby's grandmother crushed the infant in bed while sleeping next to it... it wasn't a gigantic baby, it was probably a big headed child).


They were farmers but ate human children and raped their women. They lived in the mountains (perhaps in caves?), and their interactions with humans were not amicable. But, from the mythic point of vies, these creatures were not gods either, poison killed them (a tea made from the beans of Erythrina flabelliformis), they were "men".


Another source


More recently Guadalupe Holguín (2011) [3], mentions these giants as part of the "Collective memory" of the Tarahumara. They were known as "Ganokos" and were alive between 1,500 BCE and 300 CE. She mentions a giant which was known as a "uribi", which lived in Teguerichi, "with its wife and son in a cave located at Osérare. As time passed the Rarámuris [another name for Tarahumara] grew tired of him because each fertility period and crop time, this giant misbehaved and stole their food and women. So they decided to invite him to drink tesvino to get him drunk and then posion him with chilicote (a red colored bean that grows wild in the hills of Chihuahua).". [3]


Other creatures lived in the upper parts of the hills (Alta Tarahumara), like Bichiguare at Narárachi, set at an altitude of 2,290 m (7,500 ft). A very tall Tarahumara lived there, who had the same features of the "uribi" who also appeared during the crop period and also misbehaved. So he too was invited to a feast and they gave him chilicote. After that they burned him in his cave. [3]


The fact that they called him a "very tall Tarahumara" means that he was probably a giant-human (or should I say Neanderthal-human) hybrid.


Notice how all stories agree upon the "poisoning" part. These were giants that had to be exterminated. They probably competed with humans for the best crop land or for scarce natural resources during droughts. They were enemies.


Holguín says (adopting a more mainstream science approach) that thse giants are the memories of inter-ethnic strife between Tarahumara and Tubares, who were "characterized by being of a greater height than the other natives... some skeletons measure over 2 m tall" (6 ft. 7"). [3]


Lumhotz described the Tubares as enemies of the Tarahumara: "They are said to have been fierce and constantly fighting the Tarahumares..." [2], I did not find any reference to them being tall, however Holguín says that they were "very tall". [3]


Finally, Holguín adds that the Tarahumara were not alone in their beliefs about giants, the Acaxeess or Chichimecas, Chinipas, Pima and Guarojíos also believed in giants. Which she attributes to the fossil remains of prehistoric animals.


The following image [4] from the The John Lenk Collection, Tarahumara / Raramuri, Wooden Mask with White Fur Beard collected in Copper Canyon area in Chihuahua around 1965. It has a striking "hominin" appearance. The source of the image describes it as: "Copper Canyon, Chihuahua Mexico – Primitive male mask with applied fur for beard, mustache, brows, and sideburns. Roughly carved unfinished blonde wood with open mouth, peg teeth, and fearsome expression reminiscent of a Yeti or Bigfoot. Beard is white fur, possibly goat skin. Brown hair used in other areas is softer, possibly coyote or dog. Fur is still attached to tanned hide, and is delicate from age. Lots of character.". [4]


bigfoot Tarahumara mask

To close today's post, I include the following link Chihuahua mine ghost, which links to a blog post about a creature living in a mine in Chihuahua (the territory of the Tarahumara), which was reported in a newspaper back in 1892. The beast was described as: "resemble[s] a huge ape with hairy body and long, powerful arms. It is misshapen, and with deep sunken eyes...". There is even a drawing of it, representing it as a gorilla-like beast.


By the way, there are several myths (I googled them in Spanish under "fantasma mina Chihuahua" and came across several reports)on ghosts in mines in Chihuahua. Perhaps they reflect the ancient myths of primitive gigantic "cavemen" who succumbed to the encroaching Homo sapiens.


Sources


[1] David Roberts, In the land of the Long-distance runners, Mexico's copper canyon is home to the great athletes, the Tarahumara. Smithsonian, May 1998, V.29:2 - 43-52
[2] Carl Lumholtz, (1902). Unknown Mexico; a record of five years' exploration among the tribes of the western Sierra Madre. New York, C. Scribner's sons. pp. 299.
[3] Guadalupe Holguín, (2011). Asolan a rarámuris los “gigantes o ganokos”. El Observador. Chihuahua, Chih. 28 March 2011.
[4] The John Lenk Collection. Tarahumara / Raramuri Wooden Mask with White Fur Beard


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Tuesday, January 4, 2011

Homo Erectus in America. Full information

 


All that you wanted to know about Homo erectus in America will appear in this post, it includes my previous posts on the subject, and, all new ones will be indexed here. I believe that our not-so-distant relative is the most plausible explanation for many Patagonian cryptids (i.e. giants, ogres and wild men).

The first Asians were not H. erectus. This opens the door to an intriguing possibility, that more archaic hominids such as H. habilis reached Asia and... peopled America later on...

Calico remains, proof of Homo erectus in America
Controversial stone tools discovered at a Calico site in California, USA, dated to 200,000 years ago, could only have been made by H. erectus. Some believe that the "tools" may have a natural origin and were not man-made...

H. erectus a sailor and navigator.
There is evidence that erectus sailed across open stretches of sea in Indonesia from Java all the way to Flores Island some 800,000 years ago. Could they have developed this skill and used it to reach America?

More proof on H. erectus as a navigator
Crude stone tools found in Crete, Greece dated to some 130 - 700,000 years ago indicate that H. erectus crossed at least 65 km (40 mi) of open sea to reach Crete from the mainland.

Minnesota remains Neanderthal or erectus?
Skull remains allegedly found in 1968 in Minnesota belonged to hominids with receding foreheads and thick Neanderthal-like brows. Could they have been H. erectus?

Modern presence of H. erectus in Patagonia
Native American's art (pottery, wood sculptures and stone masks depicts hominids with thick brows, deep set eyes and a low receding forehead very similar to H. erectus...

Lice may prove that modern man and H. erectus met in America.
Modern humans have a variety of lice which evolved on H. erectus, as lice can only survive on their human hosts, this means that modern men and archaic erectus came into "close" contact, and I believe that the encounter happened in America...

Puebla, Mexico: Dorenberg skull 80 - 220,000 years old.
A strange skull with H. erectus features was unearthed in Puebla Mexico in the 1890s and has been recently dated as having 80 - 220,000 years of age.

Hairy pre-human dwarves: Chelep
Hairy cave dwellers that resembled orangutans and threw stones at the Natives may be H. erectus

Out of Africa and into America across the Atlantic
H. erectus could have reached Brazil crossing the Atlantic Ocean aided by trade winds and sea currents that have a westerly direction. This is a shorter and easier journey than the Beringia route...

Patagonian bigfoot
Club wielding, fur clad H. erectus, with perhaps a limited capability for vocalization could easily explain all of these mythical wild men (Chilludo, Carcancho, Huitranalhue, etc.), and account for others such as Mwono…

Homo erectus in Argentina?
Ancient remains from the Tertiary Period such as a Pliocene Toxodon bone with an embedded stone spearhead and evidence of man-made fires over 1 million years ago point at a possible presence of H. erectus in Argentina at that time.

Diprothomo and Lagoa Santa remains
A strange skull unearthed in 1896 (Diprothomo) in Buenos Aires with archaic traits and a Tertiary Period dating as well as a robust skull with thick brow ridges from Lagoa Santa in Brazil may belong to H. erectus.

Some evidence of H. erectus in Mexico and its survival in Asia until recent times
Stone tool remains dated to 250,000 years ago at Valsequillo Mexico could only be the work of H. erectus as no humans were alive at that time. H. erectus may have been alive in Indonesia 27 thousand years ago, overlapping with modern humans.

Erectus footprints in Mexico 1.3 Million years old?
Footprints found in volcanic ash at a site close to Valsequillo, Mexico have been dated do 1.3 million years ago. As this date is too old for modern human tracks, it has been disregarded by science...

More on H. erectus in America. Denisovans
Analysis of the DNA from H. erectus remains from Denisova, Siberia, shows that in the genomes of people now living in Melanesia, about 5 percent of their DNA can be traced to Denisovans, a sign of ancient interbreeding. Furthermore, southern Patagonians share many traits with Melanesians that have led researchers to believe that these may have peopled that part of America

Some more information on the Denisovans
The remains at Denisova are not those of modern humans or Neantherdal, they are very likely those of the descendants of the ancient H. erectus.

The Yuki natives of California and their “thick brow ridges”
Yuki cranial traits suggest an erectus relationship. Their language and unique culture is also quite startling and totally different to any known in America.

H. erectus genes survive in modern humans
RRM2P4, a specific region of our X chromosome may indicate that H. erectus may have still been alive in Asia some 30,000 years ago, and mixed with modern humans there.

Skull shape: Paleo Indians, Patagonians and H. erectus
America’s oldest inhabitants, the Paleoindians, had long and narrow skulls (i.e. dolichocephalic morphology). The later Indians have a short and wide cranial vault, along with wide faces (i.e. brachycephalic morphology). Patagonian natives exhibit "the most robust and dolichocephalic crania" among a sample of South American natives (Paleoindian-like) and: Homo erectus developed a dolichocephalic shape of skull. Could


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Tuesday, December 21, 2010

Giants in Brazil, not too far from Patagonia

 


Turner's Brazilian flat headed giants. From [1]

William Turner (1508? - 1568), the "Naturalist Turner" mentioned above, was an Englishman who had studied medicine in Italy, and was a "natural historian". He had befriended Conrad Gessner, a Swiss naturalist, whose work Historiae animalium which he published in five volumes between 1551 and 1558 is the starting point of the modern scientific study of zoology.

Turner and his Brazilian Giants

But getting back to Turner. Did he travel to Brazil? I have not found evidence that proves he was anywhere near Brazil. Yet not only does the article shown above [1], say so, but also several others printed in the second half of the eighteenth century. He died before the well known English expeditions to southern South America so these were not his sources. Perhaps during his exile on the European mainland he spoke to navigators who had sailed along Brazil or read their accounts. Yet, the date given in some accounts (1610) for his remarks about the flat headed natives, are 42 years after his death. Something does not fit in here!.

But getting back to his story: his giants with the hinder part of their heads [...] flat are indeed quite remarkable. But could people with such heads really exist?

Other people with a "flat occipital bone"

Not surprisingly we find that there really is a group of people with a "flat occipital bone" (the bone at the back of your skull), the Dinaric people, which are characterized as brachymorphic [2]. They are described as having an "extremely flat occiput" and also, as "tall statured people with average height of 172 cm, 5' 8"  " and living in the Dinaric Alps (whic span parts of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia and Kosovo), Albania and parts of the Austrian Tyrol and Central Europe [3].

So, is the flat skull linked to tallness?, could the flat skulled giants mentioned by Turner be an extreme example of this trait? Perhaps yes: people suffering from Weaver Syndrome, a congenital genetic syndrome, are tall (average height of 194 cm in men - nearly 6' 3") and have "flat occiput" [4].

An anti-racist disclaimer

Having said all this, I do want to make it perfectly clear that I agree with the
American Anthropological Association Statement on "Race" (May 17, 1998), part of which I copy below:

it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.
Physical variations in any given trait tend to occur gradually rather than abruptly over geographic areas. And because physical traits are inherited independently of one another, knowing the range of one trait does not predict the presence of others.
[5]

Furthermore the notion of "race" has had hideous consequences: Ultimately "race" as an ideology about human differences was subsequently spread to other areas of the world. It became a strategy for dividing, ranking, and controlling colonized people used by colonial powers everywhere. But it was not limited to the colonial situation. In the latter part of the 19th century it was employed by Europeans to rank one another and to justify social, economic, and political inequalities among their peoples. During World War II, the Nazis under Adolf Hitler enjoined the expanded ideology of "race" and "racial" differences and took them to a logical end: the extermination of 11 million people of "inferior races" (e.g., Jews, Gypsies, Africans, homosexuals, and so forth) and other unspeakable brutalities of the Holocaust. [5]

So, when I mention brachycephalic, flat occiputs, Dinaric people, etc. I am not classifying anyone in a strict "racial" niche or demeaning them, but, trying to find out if general trends shared by certain groups of people, may indicate certain links between genes and physical build, and point to eras long gone, when small bands of hunter-gatherers roamed the earth. Bands that through interbreeding may have concentrated certain traits within the group and led to a tribe of Giants.

Giants in Brazil and their link to the Patagons

This nice story of Turner's flat headed giants however does not link the Brazilian giants with Patagonia's giant Patagons, because, as I mentioned in a previous post on homo erectus in Patagonia, these were not brachycephalic but dolichocephalic.

It is a shame, because when I read Turner's story, I immediately thought that I had come across some evidence of a group of natives living along the South Atlantic coast of South America from Patagonia to the south of Brazil.

Sources.

[1] Giants, Second essay. The Lady's monthly museum, Vernor & Hood, 1822. Vol.16, pp. 312.
[2] Ilse Schwidetzky, A. B. Chiarelli and Olga C. Necrasov, (1980). Physical anthropology of European populations. Mouton, pp. 285.
[3] Ram Nath Sharma and Rajendra Kumar Sharma, (1997). Anthropology. Atlantic Publishers & Distributors, pp. 108.
[4] M. Cappa, M. Maghnie, S. Loche and G. F. Bottazzo, (2009). Endocrine Involvement in Developmental Syndromes Karger, vol. 14. pp. 57.
[5] AAA Statement on Race


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Tuesday, November 30, 2010

Homo erectus in America?

 

In a previous post on Patagonian ogres and hairy giants, I suggested that this variety of Patagonian Bigfoot, might be a surviving Homo erectus, a direct ancestor of modern man (we are Homo sapiens).

Today I will look into this interesting subject. Interesting because, official orthodox archaeology does not believe that H. erectus ever reached America, and does not place modern man here earlier than some 20,000 years ago.

However, there is some controversial evidence (dismissed by mainstream archaeologists) that suggests an earlier peopling of America, roughly a quarter of a million years ago.

Recent survival of Homo erectus.

Homo erectus is an extinct species of humans that lived between 1,8 million years ago and at least 200,000 years ago (and probably even later than this last date). That is, during the Pleistocene Epoch. These hominids were intelligent creatures and manufactured stone tools, which we classify as belonging to the Acheulian culture. They were the first men to master fire. They were also explorers and were the first humans to break out of Africa, our birthplace and spread across the Old World.

Their remains have been found in Europe, Asia (as well as Africa). The oldest fossils are found in Africa, where they continued evolving into modern men. The African strain is different in comparison to the other H. erectus populations of the Old World and have been classed in a separate species named Homo ergaster. There is some debate whether H. ergaster or H. erectus is our direct ancestor.

Their use of a novel stone tool technology and fire, made them successful in spreading around the Old World and occupying different environments.

This may have been due to their larger brain size in comparison to our other older and more primitive ancestors. Their cranial capacities ranged from between 700 cm3 to 1,250 cm3, averaging 900 cm3. Their skulls had a thick cranial bone and large browridges over their eyes. Their braincase was long and low, with a receeding forehead.

They were not small like their ancestors, an adult H. erectus could weigh over 45 kg (100 lb) and measure 1,67 m (5 ft. 6 in).

Fossils of H. erectus found at Ngandong, Java, have been dated to as recently as 53,000 to 27,000 years ago. These dates were obtained by Carl Swisher of the Berkeley Geochronology Center and colleagues. [1]. This is interesting because, it indicates an overlapping with modern man who arrived in that area roughly some 40 to 50 thousand years ago. So, if they managed to get to America, they could have also overlapped with modern man during some 20 to 30,000 years (which, would mean that they may have survived until a relatively recent date, or even still be alive somewhere out there).

In America?

During the late 1960s, at a site close to Mexico City, Mexico, named Valsequillo Reservoir, in the State of Puebla, some geologists of the United States Geology Survey (USGS) dated possible hominid remains as being 250,000 years old!. The team was led by archaeologist Cynthia Irving-Williams, and the results were published in a reputable scientific journal in 1969 [5] but were quickly dismissed by mainstream archaeologists as being ridiculously old (nearly ten times the accepted dates for human presence in America - the Clovis First theory). [2]

Click to see Photographs of the excavations and the artifacts.

These remains are part of a:

"rapidly growing dating evidence from fission- track, U-series, diatoms extinct by the end of the Last Interglacial Stage (Sangamonian), etc. for (pre-Wisconsinan) humans in America (>80,000 yr BP), which has been ignored or denied by members of the American archaeological establishment " . [3]

So, they may be modern human (i.e. Homo sapiens) remains that predate the orthodox time-frame of some 20,000 years for human arrival to America.

Other ancient remains of stone tools have been found at Calico [4] in California, US at around the same time. They have been dismissed by mainstream archaeology as natural (not human) artifacts.

Conclusions

As far as I am concerned, the case remains open and undefined. The evidence is interesting and definitively points to an early peopling of America.

H. erectus had the brains and the physical aptitude to trek from China (his known northernmost habitat) to America through Beringia, just like modern man would do later. He could also have rowed along the coastal waters of Asia, Beringia and America all the way down to Southern Chile.

Lack of interest and funding (specially in South America, where research is restricted due to lack of governmental or private support) to look into these non-conventional ideas may delay the final proof, but it will surely be unearthed in the near future.

Impact on cryptozoology. Leaving aside Bigfoot for my North American colleagues, as it is not a Patagonian "monster", the presence of H. erectus could account for many native Patagonian myths regarding "ogres" or "man slaying" primitive men, it can also explain the "wild-men" legends and some "hairy" or "ape-like" creatures reported in Patagonia.

Continues tomorrow in Part 2, Homo erectus in America?

Sources.
[1] Mark Rose, (1997). Homo Erectus Survival. Archaeology. Vol. 50 Number 2, March/April 1997
[2] Christopher Hardaker and Charles Naeser, (2007). The First American: The Suppressed Story of the People Who Discovered the New World. Career Press.
[3] Sam L. Vanlandingham. Extraordinary Examples of Deception in Peer Reviewing: Concoction of the Dorenberg Skull Hoax and Related Misconduct. Online.
[4] Chris Hardaker, (2010). The Abomination of Calico. Pleistocene coalition news, Vol 2. No. 5 pp. 10. Oct. 2010.
[5] Barney J. Szaboa, Harold E. Maldea and Cynthia Irwin-William, (1969). Dilemma posed by uranium-series dates on archaeologically significant bones from Valsequillo, Puebla, Mexico. Earth and Planetary Science Letters. Vol. No. 4, July 1969, Pages 237-244


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Friday, October 29, 2010

The Tiremenen giants

 
Tiremenen indians
Tiremenen Indians in Southern Patagonia. Detail of Map. From [1]

The map above [1] by de Moussy, dated 1865, shows on Brunswick Peninsula, just south of Punta Arenas (Chile), a caption stating "Ins. Tiremenen" or Tiremenen Indians.

What is so special about them? Well, they were said to be giants.

These were first described by Dutch Admiral Oliver van Noort in 1599 as “savages of a gigantic stature”[2] who told him that not all Patagonian natives were gigantic, but only one nation out of the five that lived there, the Tiremenen. This apparently happened at the Strait of Magellan.

These Tiremenen were “gigantic people […] who were continually making war upon the other nations”.[3] (I mentioned them in my post on the Patagon Giants).

I had not been able to find any other references to regarding this name until now, and in the mid 1860s. The interesting thing is that the Aonikenk Tehuelche referred to a mysterious people living in that area, but they used another name, not Tiremenen, but Awurwur, I will write about them in my next post.

Sources.

[1] Carte de la Patagonie et des archipels de la Terre de Feu, des Malouines et des cotes occidentales jusqu'au Golfe de Reloncavi. By Dr. V. Martin de Moussy 1865. Engraved by L. Kautz, r. Bonaparte 82 - Paris. Paris, Imp. Lemercier, r. de Seine 57. (Paris Librairie de Firmin Didot Freres, Fils et Cie., 1873).
Online Map Here.
[2] FitzRoy, R., (1839). Appendix v.ii. pp. 102.
[3] Hawkesworth, J., (1773). Account of the Voyages... the Southern Hemisphere. London: Cadell. v.i.: 12+




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Wednesday, September 29, 2010

Sarasola Cave, The lair of a Giant

 
My first post done simultaneously in English and Spanish.
 
Sarasola Cave map
Map of Sarasola Cave, Chubut. Copyright © 2010 by Austin Whittall

I stumbled across an excellent blog [1] which mentions a "giant's cave" close to the town of Sarmiento in the Argentine province of Chubut. It intrigued me and I read it expecting to find out about some extant Patagons, but no, it was a cave of something much more interesting:

This Cave or "tunnel" of Sarasola gets its name from the original owner of lot number 103, TomáS Sarasola.

It is a natural cave about 400 m (1,200 ft) long, located on a private property, Estancia Los Manantiales, some 45 km (21 mi.) west of the town of Sarmiento along Provincial Highway No. 20 on the way to Rio Mayo (see the map above).

It was discovered by a native named José Payalef circa 1913, its entrance (see the photographs at the website of Municipal Tourism Office of Sarmiento) is nearly oval and measures 3 m (9 ft.) by 2.5 m ( 8 ft.). It is set in the steppe.

The Giant

The Blog [1] quotes a text which I copy below:

"Old Indians say that some of their fathers knew an enormous giant that was four meters [12 ft.] tall and thick as an ox, which they did not know where it lived, but that they saw many times in the fields close to the cave. Today [ca. 1913] they believe without any doubts, that the giant lived in this cave, which they had not yet discovered by chance because the fields where it lies, lacks grass and water and for this reason not even the cattle went there.” / Sourceuente. Bernardo K. (1)

(1) Encuesta Nacional de Folklore. Ministerio de Educación. (1921). The story comes from the province of Entre Ríos. The surname of the informant is not clearly legible but on the story it figures that during the year of the survey, 1921, he was secretary of the School of Arts and Trades in the town of Victoria.
[1]

This survey, was the National Folkloric Survey of 1921 and is filed at the Library Juan Alfonso Carrizo of the Instituto Nacional de Antropología y Pensamiento Latinoamericano (National Institute of Anthropology and Latin American Thought).[2]

It is a collection of handwritten documents which gathered prose, poetry and even music in an attempt to preserve traditional floklore. It was compiled by teachers all over the country. I am programming a visit to the library and museum to read the original text, and will post the outcome of my research.

The description that the local natives made in the early XXth century is not that of a giant person, so we must dismiss the "Patagon". However it seems to me that they are speaking about an extant megafaunal animal, which should have become extinct some ten thousand years ago.

In this blog, I have posed about the possibility that extant megafaunal animals have been the source of several myths (i.e Ellengassen, the glyptodont and the mylodon). In this case, the size of the creature (four meters long and big as an ox) seems to corroborate this hypothesis.

Furthermore it may even be the "lake animal" spotted at the nearby Lake Colhue Huapi.

Sources.

[1] Martelli, Gastón. Geografía Mítica del Territorio Argentino
[2] Biblioteca Juan Alfonso Carrizo
[3] Turismo Municipio de Sarmiento


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