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Guide to Patagonia's Monsters & Mysterious beings

I have written a book on this intriguing subject which has just been published.
In this blog I will post excerpts and other interesting texts on this fascinating subject.

Austin Whittall


Showing posts with label tortoise. Show all posts
Showing posts with label tortoise. Show all posts

Friday, November 28, 2025

On Freshwater Turtles in Patagonia - Update


In a previous post earlier this year, I mentioned that the movie director Miguel Angel Rossi suggested that the "Lake Monster" of Lake Nahuel Huapi was probably a turtle and I listed different species found in Argentina, none of which live in Patgonia due to the low temperatures. However, looking into the matter I found several references on these animals in the Patagonian rivers.


In August 2016, (Source), a freshwater turtle was photographed swimming in the Rio Negro River at Paso Córdoba (Google map), Pablo Chafrat, from the Museo Patagónico de Ciencias Naturales, a museum in the neighboring city of General Roca said that it could be an "exotic" turtle that someone bought and then grew tired of it, discarding it in the river. Below is a picture of the animal.


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Turtle, Paso Córdoba, Rio Negro.

An article published in May 2019 reported finding a turtle (Phrynops Hilarii) in the Plottier irrigation channel during works on it. This irrigation system takes water from the Limay River. After draining it, they checked for any fish that may have become stranded, to capture them and place them back in the Limay River. They found a turtle which was rescued ant taken to the local fish-stocking station. It is pictured below.


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Lagoon Tortoise (Phrynops Hilarii), Plottier channel.

The director of the fish-stocking station of Plottier, Jorge Figuolo said that the animal was checked by a veterinarian to make sure it was healthy, adding that its habitat is the Paraná River basin, and that they would return it to that area as they don't believe it could adapt to the cold water in Neuquén. They couldn't understand how it found its way into the irrigation channel (see the location on google maps). This spot is 58 km (35 mi.) upstream from Paso Córdoba.


A second turtle was found by a fisherman in Dec. 2023, 15km - 9 mi. east of Plottier, in the waters of Duran Creek (Source, with video), it was also identified as a Phrynops hilarii specimen. This spot is not far from Plottier, and is actually a branch of the Limay River (Map with location). The same explanation was given: a pet that was returned to the wild.


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Turtle, Durán Creek, 2023

In Dec. 2024, the media reported (see video) a turle at Paso Córdoba (was it the same one spotted in 2016?) and again the fact that it was an exotic animal was mentioned. The turtle in the video looks well adapted to its habitat! See its picture below.


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Turtle, Paso Córdoba, 2024

The facebook page of the Reserva Ecológica Plottier (Plottier Ecological Reserve) mentions several sightings in the area, not only the one mentioned in 2019, but others: Jan. 2025, and the turtle was left where it was found. The post says that these animals are now part of the local fauna. It also has a picture from Nov. 2022, a sighting in 2018 and another at Santa Helena Lagoon in the Plottier botanical gardens.


So, are these native creatures that had gone on undetected until now, or were they brought to the Neuquén, Limay, and Negro rivers area as pets from another place outside of Patagonia, and then set free in the environment? By the way, they seem to be thriving in the area, despite the cold winter temperatures.



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Sunday, September 21, 2025

The 1922 Plesiosaur was probably a Turtle or Crocodile


Back in 1922, while the expedition was searching for the Plesiosaur that Sheffield had said he'd seen in a tiny lagoon close to his home near the Epuyen River, many looked on with a skeptic attitude.


Below is the text from an article published in the New York Times (HINT 'PLESIOSAURUS' WAS A HUGH TURTLE; Dr. Lucas and Washington Scientists Scoff at Tale of Finding Monster in Patagonia) published on March 8, 1922, mocking the expedition.


"Dr. F. A. Lucas, director of the Museum of Natural History, does not credit the report that a plesiosaurus, an amphibian of the Mesozoic period, generally believed to exist only in fossil form, has been seen alive in Patagonia.
'It is very unlikely that a plesiosaurus has been seen,' said Dr. Lucas yesterday. 'It is possible that something has been seen, but not a plėsiosaurus. It has been my experience that the nearer one goes to the source of such reports the less people seem to know about them. Nobody seems to know just how these wild reports start. Not long ago a report was circulated that a glyptodon, a genus of large extinct mammals of the order of edentata, related to the armadillos, had been seen in New Zealand.'
'As nearly as I can recall, no fossil remains of plesiosauri have been found in South America, but I know of no reason why they should not exist there. The most recent remains found in this country date from the Cretaceous period. It is barely possible that the animal seen was a large fresh-water turtle or a crocodile, though Patagonia is far south for a crocodile.'
WASHINGTON, March 7. - Professor Gilmore of the National Museum and N. Hollister of the National Zoological Park said today that they were of the opinion that such animals as plesiosauri vanished from the earth long ago.
'The last positive evidence of such creatures running at large,' said Professor Gilmore, dates back some 10,000,000 years. So far as scientists are aware, no such animal has been seen since that period. I would not hesitate in advising that the subject be dismissed.'
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Scientists


These men were authorities, and they made a good point.


Frederic Augustus Lucas, (1852-1929) was a naturalist, director of the American Museum of Natural History from 1911 to 1924, and honorary director until his death. He was an authority on vertebrate anatomy.


Charles Whitney Gilmore (1874–1945) was an renown paleontologist who worked with dinosarus during his career at what then was the United States National Museum (now the National Museum of Natural History).


Ned Hollister (1876-1924) was a naturalist, and between 1910 and 1916 served as Assistant Curator in the Division of Mammals, United States National Museum. Then he became the Superintendent of the National Zoological Park in Washington, where he worked until his death.


Comments


The New Zealand glyptodon is an interesting story, since there were no native mammals in the islands because it split from Gondwana before the first mammals appeared. It only had birds and reptiles, but no mammals. It is the first time I have read about it, but I have not been able to find any references to this sighting.


The suggestion that if there is an animal, it may be "a large fresh-water turtle or a crocodile" is reasonable. Nevertheless, Lucas points out that there are no known crocs in Patagonia. I agree with this possibility.


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Plesiosaur from an article published in Buenos Aires in 1912.

The image above was published in 1912 ( Fray Mocho: semanario festivo, literario, artístico y de actualidades. (1912). En Busca de un Nuevo Monstruo. Argentina. Año 1, N° 11.) and its caption reads: "A plesiosaur, a species who mister König believes the mysterious inhabitant of Lake Pueyrredón belongs to."

This sighting at Lake Pueyrredón took place ten years before Sheffield's sighting.


Of course, Plesiosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The creatures, if real, were not plesiosaurs.



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Friday, September 19, 2025

Supergigantic land tortoise from Argentina


This post shares a paper published in April 2025, about a supergigantic land tortoise discovered in the temperate regions of Argentina in Upper Pleistocene sediments, the Chelonoidis pucara


Paper: Agnolín, F. L., & Chimento, N. R. (2025). A GIANT AMONG GIANTS: A NEW LAND TORTOISE FROM THE PLEISTOCENE OF THE ARGENTINE PAMPAS. RIVISTA ITALIANA DI PALEONTOLOGIA E STRATIGRAFIA , 131(2). https://doi.org/10.54103/2039-4942/27229

I hadn't considered tortoises or their aquatic relatives, the freshwater turtles as an option for lake monsters in Patagonia until watching the movie "Bajo Superficie" and reading about its Director suggesting that the animal could be a gigantic freshwater turtle.


I have posted about the existing turtles in the region. And will look into prehistoric specimens that were coeval with the Paleoindians around 12,000 years ago.


The paper by Agnolín and Chimento suggests that gigantism was an evolutionary trend that a large body size provided an advantage in retaining heat and promoting higher metabolic levels. The authors even go as far as stating that " The occurrence of C. pucara in semiarid environments gives some in-direct support to this ypothesis, suggesting some kind of endothermy in these extinct taxa, meaning it had a rudimentary system for maintaining its body temperature warm like mammals and birds (reptiles, amphibians, are "cold blooded" and can't heat their bodies by internal metabolic means).


The paper also says they were predators: " It is possible that supergigantic tortoises, such as C. pucara, may have had similar habits with opportunistic scavenging and predation."




#8 is the C. pucara" a big supergigantic tortoise. Source

They coexisted with humans who may have caused their extinction: "Chelonoidis pucara is the youngest extinct tor-toise from the Upper Pleistocene of Argentina. Cione et al. (2003) postulated that giant tortoise ex-tinction at the end of the Pleistocene was the re-sult of a combination of early human exploitation and extreme and frequent periodic climate which led to changes in temperature, humidity, and habitat modification."


Beasts like a supergigantic tortoise are myth-making creatures.


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Friday, September 12, 2025

Nahuel Huapi: the movie "Bajo Superficie" and the Aquatic tortoise or turtle theory


An Argentine documentary titled "Bajo Superficie" (Under the Surface) shot during the COVID-19 pandemic and released in 2022, explores the mystery of El Nahuelito, the mythical lake creature of Lake Nahuel Huapi.


You can see the full movie online (in Spanish). It is a 2 hour 20 minute-long film, a documentary, with interviews, nice shots of the lake, and it also used an underwater camera to shoot scenes hundreds of meters below the surface. Miguel Angel Rossi directed it, and it is really interesting.


Bajo Superficie poster

Rossi has lived in Bariloche for the past 35 years, and was always interested in the Nahuelito. He tells about an incident involving an unusual sighting: (source)


Giant Aquatic Tortoise or Turtle


"Many years ago, when his daughters were young, Rossi had a strange experience: he saw something moving on a beach near the lake, and as he got closer, he saw it was an enormous aquatic turtle with a long neck. He turned it over, and the animal disappeared beneath the water once more. This led him to think that perhaps the Nahuelito could, in fact, be a turtle of extraordinary size."


His research led not only to reports on Nahuelito, but also to strange lights sighted under and above the lake, and strange shipwrecks.


He explored different theories about Nahuelito, from the "radioactive" one (involving the Atomic Energy research center on isla Huemul Island (1948-52) (see my 2010 post on this theory), to the "geologic" one, which attributes the sightings to degassing from faults in the lake's bed (See my 2010 post on this theory).


Strange Fish


The movie mentions "strange fish" that were introduced into the lake over 100 years ago. During the filming of the movie, they got images of some animals that are now being investigated. There are three species found in the lake that had not been officially recognized. "In addition to sightings of aquatic fauna species, there are concurrent accounts of experiences that are difficult to explain, many of them recorded. I believe that over time all of this will be revealed. And I hope that in a few years there will be many important productions investigating the lake's issues in all its forms."


Below is a picture with Rossi (left) on a boat in Lake Nahuel Huapi, while shooting the movie.


Rossi and colleague

The Long Necked Tortoise


Rossi says that many people contacted him after the movie was released, and he is researching different theories. The tortoise is "...one of the ones that resonates most with me. After the film's release, a family story appeared that revives a theory I'd thought was dismissed. About eight years ago, this family experienced something that hadn't happened in 70 years. It intrigues me greatly because it's directly related to what Jarred Jones and others saw in the early 20th century: a long-necked animal. I had associated it with that turtle I saw years ago, but biologists tell me there are no turtles in the lake."


I must admit that I had never considered aquatic tortoises as a possible explanation for Nahuelito. I understood there were none in the Patagonian waters. There is a land tortoise in Patagonia, but now I have learned that there are freshwater tortoises in Argentina (see this paper) there are Phrynops hilarii, Acanthochelys spixii and Acanthochelys pallidipectoris in Mendoza province, just north of Patagonia. But the authors believe that they were introduced recently (pets released into nature). However, there is an ancient oral tradition of freshwater turtles in Las Heras and Lavalle Departments in that province in the early 1900s, both drained by the Mendoza River which formed part of the Desaguadero—Salado—Curacó rivers basin.


Notice the long neck of the Acanthochelys pallidipectoris (Chaco side-necked turtle) pictured below:


turtle

An Acanthochelys spixii or Black spine-necked swamp turtle:


Acanthochelys spixii

And this is a Phrynops hilarii:


Phrynops hilarii

The Colorado River marks Patagonia’s northern border in Argentina, while the Desaguadero—Salado—Curacó system is a river which changes its name along its course, which is nearly 1,500 km long (932 mi.) Its northernmost sources are in the province of La Rioja, high in the Andes at an altitude of 5,500 m (18,000 ft.), and it flows in a north—south direction parallel to the Cordillera, receiving the input of many Andean rivers such as the Jáchal, Vinchinas, San Juan, Mendoza, Atuel, Tunuyán, and Diamante.


Water from many of these rivers is now diverted to irrigate the vineyards at the foot of the Andes in the Cuyo region provinces of La Rioja, Mendoza, and San Juan. This has led to a dramatic drop in the flow downstream along the Desaguadero River and the wetlands of Guanacache and Bañados del Atuel have dried up due to this cause, altering the environment and affecting the wildlife.


Until the early 1900s, the river carried plenty of water, and the western region of La Pampa was far more humid than it is nowadays. The Bañados del Atuel wetlands spanned 21,000 km² (8,100 sq.mi.) and had fifteen lakes. The westernmost branch of the river was known as Potrol stream, the Salado was its easternmost one. The wetlands drained into the saltwater lake of Urre Lauquen. Their outflow through the Curacó River (Mapuche for “stone water”) continues southward until it flows into the Colorado River at (38°50’S, 64°58’O). Its basin covers a surface area of 260,000 km2 (100,000 sq. mi.) The Colorado flows into the Atlantic.


It is feasible that the tortoises, if they lived in this basin, could have reached the Negro River, linked to the Neuquén and Limay rivers, and the Patagonian lake district. The Colorado and Negro run in more or less parallel courses with a minimum separation of 40 km (258 mi.) along a line linking the towns of Gobernador Duval and Chelforó. In other parts they can be up to 120 km or 74 mi apart. See the map below with the "Gap" that the tortoises would have to bridge between the Colorado and Negro rivers.


map of rivers

They are usually small, but in the U.S., the ke the Alligator Snapping Turtle (Macrochelys temminckii) which can weigh up to 176 pounds and reach a lenght of 40 inches (1 meter) (source). Not a monster, but big.


An obstacle is the temperature, the Andean lakes are cold, and these freshwater tortoises and turtles live in temperate, tropical and subtropical environments. A study involving turtles from Chaco, found that "The thermal breadth found in active individuals suggests that H.tectifera is a thermal generalist (eurythermal). Body temperatures of active individuals ranged between 10.1 °C and 25.7 °C (Mean = 18.58). Accordingly, records of individuals mating under water temperatures as low as 16.5 °C and 9 °C reflect the species capacity to perform activities within a wide temperature range.".


The temperature of Lake Nahuel Huapi (source) ranges from a minimum of 5.3°C in winter to a maximum of 19.5°C in Summer. The mean winter temperature for most of the lake is between 5.3 and 8°C, in summer it ranges from 15 to 18°C. They seem suitable for turtles. The lake also provides algae, crayfish, minnows, aquatic plants and insects, which make up the diet of these animals.


Further reading about the movie: Temporetti, Alonso. Bajo Superficie. Desde La Patagonia Difundiendo Saberes. Vol 19, N°34, 2022 ISSN (print)1668-8848 - ISSN (online) 2618-5385



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