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Guide to Patagonia's Monsters & Mysterious beings

I have written a book on this intriguing subject which has just been published.
In this blog I will post excerpts and other interesting texts on this fascinating subject.

Austin Whittall


Showing posts with label David Reich. Show all posts
Showing posts with label David Reich. Show all posts

Friday, May 8, 2026

Tasmanians lost the art of lighting fire?


While listening to David Reich's podcast, he put forward a weird fact which I hadn't heard about before. Roughly 32 minutes into the podcast, Reich, while discussing the issue of small groups of humans while we spread across the globe, says "An example I've heard talked about in this context is what happened with Indigenous Tasmanians. About 10,000 years ago, the ancestors of people in Tasmania—this large island south of Australia—were continuous with the aboriginal populations of Australia. They had fire, but they lost it because it got forgotten somehow. It's a cold place. They just forgot it. The cultural knowledge lost it."


This is a striking thought, a group of humans who lost the ability to light a fire!


I decided to check some scientific studies to validate if this was true or not. A 2024 paper by Aeleye et al., (Landscape burning facilitated Aboriginal migration into Lutruwita/Tasmania 41,600 years ago) reported that the first humans to reach Tasmania (which at that time was a peninsula linked to the main continental area of Australia by an emerged Bass Strait modified the landscape using fire: "People were living on the Tasmanian/Lutruwitan peninsula by ~41.6 ka using fire to penetrate and manipulate forests, an approach possibly used in the first migrations across the last glacial landscape of Sahul." Then came the end of the Last Ice Age, and the strait flooded, leaving a 150 mile - 240 km wide stretch of water isolating the Tasmanian aboriginals from those on the mainland. So they surely lost the art of fire-making more recently.


Völger, 1973 gives an interesting account, and says that researchers considered Tasmanian people "archaic" and although they "were masters in the art of handling fire it has remained in the dark up to our time how they lit it" she cites some authors, among which Plomley does not attribute them with the knowledge of fire-making. She points out that regardless of the method employed, the humid, damp, cold conditions of Tasmania would have made it very difficult to light a fire, so that is why the natives "always carried torches and glowing pieces of rolled bark with them no European has ever observed them lighting a fire"


In 1914, James Walker in his book Early Tasmania (p. 269) believes they imported the know-how on firemaking (and other techniques) after contact with the Europeans, when contact with the mainland was reestablished: "We find that in popular accounts they have been credited with a skill and knowledge in various matters, which it is now well-nigh certain they derived from contact with other races, and of which, in their original condition, they were ignorant. Some instances may be given of imported arts which Bonwick, West, and others, even including such a cautious writer as Brough Smyth, have accepted as originally known to the Tasmanians. I may mention the reputed manufacture of ground stone implements, the use of handled implements, of the womera or throwing stick, and of bone-pointed or jagged spears, the making of different patterns of baskets, the alleged use of the fire-drill, and the drawings attributed to them. In all these matters the evidence collated by Mr. Roth goes to show that any knowledge they may have had of these things was acquired after they had come into contact with Australians or Europeans" In the following pages, Walker discusses fire: "The early voyagers, seeing rough stone implements resembling flint at the camping places, jumped to the conclusion that the natives obtained fire by percussion of flints. This supposed method may be dismissed from consideration, and the question resolves itself into an inquiry as to how they obtained fire by the. usual savage method of the friction of two pieces of wood" So they did know how to make fire, he suggests they used a grooved plank and a stick rubbing in it to light a flame (and that they did not use the "drill" method).


Tasmanian Aboriginals and fire
Engarving by Perot, showing huts on Diemen's land (Tasmania) and fire. Source

Francis Peron's book about the voyage on the Casuarina between 1800 and 1807 published the engraving shown above about Diemen's Land, now Tasmania and it shows the Aboriginals around a fire.


On the other hand, Rebe Taylor 2008 looked into the matter (The polemics of making fire in Tasmania: the historicalevidence revisited), concluding that "...the idea that the Tasmanian Aborigines could not make fire was never more than supposition. While the contrasting claim that they could make fire has never been an absolute certainty, it is the far more logical and probable conclusion" So, Taylor considers that the knowledge of fire making was never lost.


Though Taylor cites several explorers from the 1800s who said the natives could not make fire (due to the damp conditions) by rubbing wood sticks, or did not know how to light fires, she believes the opposite.


Taylor says that the current belief in the lost art of fire-making is due to Plomley's, 1966 publication stating that the Tasmanians couldn't light fire, followed by Jones in 1977, who suggested that they lost the know-how on how to make hafted axes, boomerangs and fire because they were a small, isolated population whose culture had degenerated.


I would like to point out that the Fuegian natives, and the Chono and Alakaluf people of Southwestern Patagonia, a region that is rain-drenched year round, damp, cold, wet, dripping forests, with hardly a dry piece of wood, managed to light fires and keep them lit even in their canoes, on a bed of sand. The Yamana or Yaghan canoe people used flint and stone (no wood rubbing in Tierra del Fuego, it was far too wet).


The material culture of the Tasmanian natives was poor, and simple when the Europeans discovered the Island in the late 1700s. They probably lost the art of fire-making, did they kindle flames from lighting lit fires? Could a culture lose such a basic and essential knowledge? The equally bare Fuegian and western Patagonian natives had minimal material objects, but they were well adapted to their environment, they fashioned harpoons, hooks, canoes, and mastered their fires.



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Thursday, May 7, 2026

David Reich interview (Worth watching) on OOA and more!


Harvard geneticist David Reich gave a long interview which can be seen in video online here It includes a transcript from where I extracted the text that I share below.


Reich, born in 1974 is Professor of Genetics, Harvard Medical School and Professor of Human Evolutionary Biology who has specialized in population genetics and the genetics of ancient humans. His laboratory has sequenced the genes of over 16,000 people. He is a leader in this field so his opinion about Out of Africa and diversity, population structure and the braids that linke Neanderthals, Denisovans, and modern humans are indeed interesting.


Out of Africa needs a "Copernican Readjustment"


I liked the comparison of a Ptolemaic vs. a Copernican viewpoint for the Out of Africa theory. Reich says (talking about Neanderthals, Denisovans and modern humans) the following:


" When these lineages interacted with each other at different periods of time. But the standard model we have right now is really almost hard to believe. So the standard model right now is that modern humans are a distant cousin of Neanderthals and Denisovans, who are most closely related. Neanderthals and Denisovans stemmed from a common ancestor maybe half a million years ago, which separated earlier from the ancestors of modern humans. But actually, maybe there's some alternative way of thinking about what happened that can really change our vision of the relationships amongst these groups and make it sort of the Copernican readjustment where we say, well, maybe, maybe the maybe the solar system revolves around the sun, and the Earth is a satellite of that. And maybe, maybe that's how it looks. And so I kind of feel that we're missing a trick and that there's something there, and that maybe if we come up with a different model, it will be much more plausible."


On Out of Africa, replacement, and our origins


In another podcast from 2024 (Online here - Dwarkesh Podcast) Reich has some interesting comments (I give the approx. time he says them, also see the transcript):



podcast David Reich
  • Time: 2:05 min. He says the model is implausible, and mentions the Copernican analogy.
  • Time: 5:20 min. "Profoundly different models may actually explain the data" in a more plausible manner. At 8 min he adds that each new study is accreted onto the "Standard" (orthodox) model like patches.
  • Time: 9:30 min. "in a period of 2 million to 500 thousand years ago I think it is not at all clear where the main ancestors leading to modern humans were, there were humans through many parts of Eurasia and many parts of Africa... I think there's been an assumption where Africa has been at the center of everything."
  • Time: 13:00 min. Several hundreds of thousands of years ago a lineage gets into the Middle East and mixes there with the ancestors of Neanderthals.
  • Time: 14:00 min. In Africa there were hundreds of small populations with low diversity, almost going extinct, but seen as a whole, their added diversity, and random occasional admixing created the current high diversity of modern humans.
  • Time: 52:00 min. Humans changed a lot over the past 2 million years, but then looking back at the past 200 ky, Africans, Oceanians and Eurasians are very similar, only in the past 10,000 years do we see an acceleration of evolution due to selection in Western Eurasia which is baffling: "There's a kind of disconnect... It's a very confusing situation. It feels like we don't really understand what's going on, but there's a lot to learn."
  • Time: 1 h 04 min. Replacement of populations are disruptive events, when a Y-chromosome lineage is compeltely replaced by another, yet the mtDNA did not change, it means the men were wiped out and women had no choice about their mates "It wasn't friendly, peaceful, or nice."
  • Time: 1h 16 min. "you might argue that non-Africans today are Neanderthals who just have waves and waves of modern humans from Africa mixing with them. Who are the ancestors?... actually the proportion of non-Africans ancestors who are Neanderthals is not 2%. That’s the proportion of their DNA in our genomes today if you're a non-African person. It's more like 10-20% of your ancestors are Neanderthals... It’s not even obvious that non-Africans today are modern humans. Maybe they're Neanderthals who became modernized by waves and waves of admixture."
  • Time: 1 h 26 min. "The evidence that our lineage was mostly in Africa is based on an assumption, a kind of inertial idea, that our lineage must have always been in Africa because Africa is the center of human history. But if you look at the archaeological evidence, it's not incredibly clear. If you look at the genetic evidence, we have many early branches from Eurasia and only one from Africa. You have complexity and branching in Eurasia that's sampled in the DNA record, DNA from Denisovans, DNA from unknown archaic lineages that contributed to Denisovans, Neanderthals. All of those are represented in the Eurasian record, not in the African record. Part of that is the fact that ancient DNA is preserved in Eurasia. Maybe there's a period when our lineage resides in Eurasia. It's not obviously wrong. That hypothesis is out there as a possibility."
  • Time: 1 h 32 min. On what is lacking in the field: "The basic answer is that we need DNA from Africa. We need old DNA from 50,000 years ago, 100,000 years ago, 200,000 years ago, from all over Africa. Because it's super clear that our lineage is complicated within Africa. There's archaic forms in the archaeological record. Modern human data is extremely substructured, with evidence of having come together from many different lineages, which must have been different archaic forms in Africa contributing to people living today. Having that would crack our understanding of how modern human lineages braided together and relate to the other archaic lineages we have data from. That's obviously extremely helpful."


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