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Guide to Patagonia's Monsters & Mysterious beings

I have written a book on this intriguing subject which has just been published.
In this blog I will post excerpts and other interesting texts on this fascinating subject.

Austin Whittall


Tuesday, September 30, 2025

Neanderthals in China 55 ky ago


Research published in April of this year (Q. Ruan, H. Li, P. Xiao, et. al., Quina lithic technology indicates diverse Late Pleistocene human dynamics in East Asia, Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 122 (14) e2418029122, https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2418029122 (2025).) found stone tools from the Middle Pleistocene in Southwestern China. This is important because there had been the notion that there had not been any "Middle Paleolithic" lithic tools in the region.


The technology used to make these tools is very similar to the Neanderthal's Mousterian knapping technique found in Western Eurasia.


The map below (Source) shows the sites across Eurasia including Longtan, and the lithic technologies found at each of them. The Neanderthal territory is marked with a brown tone overlay from Europe, across the Middle East, Caucasus into Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan into Altai. The arrows mark the flow of "know-how" into China, from the Altai region, and also from SE India, where Levallois tools have also been found.


stone tools Eurasia Paleolithic

Mousterian tools are quite variable, and there are different variants depending on the strategies used to knap the stone core; these are the Levallois, the Laminar, the Discoid, and the Quina, all found in western Eurasia. This research reports it at the Longtan site, located in Yunnan Province, Southwest China.


The paper says that "Our study further deepens the understanding of biocultural dynamics of Homo sapiens, Denisovans, and possibly other hominins in the Late Pleistocene of East Asia." There was a very complex demographic situation in that region at that time.


Indigenous or Imported?


These were not modern humans that arrived early in Asia; the authors clearly state that " Middle Paleolithic sites in southern China exhibiting distinct African Middle Stone Age technological elements remain undocumented. Consequently, from a material cultural perspective, we suggest that it is currently premature to support the early dispersal model along the southern route with the arrival in China before ca. 45 ka."


The authors papers suggest an alternative explanation: local East Asian hominins evolved here and developed this type of tools by progressing from similar older stone artifacts made by Densiovans around 200 ky ago. Another option is that they were aquired by know-how dispersion: "implying dynamics of knowledge transmission and/or population dispersal from western Eurasia. Dispersion may be supported by evidence of the coexistence of Denisovans and Neanderthals in southern Siberia since ca. 200 ka (the earliest appearance of Neanderthals just overlies the earliest layer occupied by Denisovans), which has not only indicated the early eastward migration event of Neanderthals but also the genetic exchanges between the two distinct human groups."


The paper points out that "If dispersal or migration is relevant to the Longtan Quina, we would expect evidence of Quina systems in wide areas of Central and South Asia; however, none have been reported to date. Further evidence is required to test the above proposed hypotheses."


So, even though the study does not confirm the presence of Neanderthals in China 55,000 years ago, their relatives, the Denisovans were firmly established in the region. And it is possible that they developed the techniques to knap stones more efficiently, resembling the Neanderthal technology.


The history of how humans peopled Asia is complex and exciting times lie ahead as we learn more about it.



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Monday, September 29, 2025

Denisovans and their abilities


I came across an interesting paper: Guy S. Jacobs, Georgi Hudjashov, Lauri Saag, et. al., (2019), Multiple Deeply Divergent Denisovan Ancestries in Papuans, Cell,Volume 177, Issue 4,2019, pp. 1010-1021.e32, ISSN 0092-8674, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2019.02.035.


It explores three different Denisovan introgressions into the people that live in Papua New Guinea, and the relationship between the three Denisovan groups that admixed over a period of tens of thousands of years, in separate events (Modern humans met and shared genes with Denisovans several times).


I found it quite interesting:


Variety of Denisovans


"Here, we use a statistical approach on new genomes from ISEA and Papua to identify two new Denisovan groups (D1 and D2) and describe the relationships between these archaic hominins long before they first interacted with anatomically modern humans. Both groups branched off early from the Altai Denisovan clade at 283 and 363 kya and were reproductively isolated from the individuals at Denisova cave in Siberia and from each other. Yet both groups bred with modern humans, contributing around 4% of the genomes of Papuans, including over 400 gene variants enriched for traits involving immunity and diet. Some of this introgression is restricted to modern New Guinea and its surrounding islands and may have occurred as late as the very end of the Pleistocene, making the admixing D1 Denisovan population among the last surviving archaic hominins in the world."


Ancient Mariners


The Denisovans had a wide geographic range and had evolved in Asia for hundreds of thousands of years. They had split and differentiated in Siberia, Melanesia and Southeast Asia. Could they have moved northwards, into Beringia and crossed it into America?


The paper highlights the mobility and abilities of Denisovans in dealing with the sea (underline is mine:


"The genetic diversity within the Denisovan clade is consistent with their deep divergence and separation into at least three geographically disparate branches, with one contributing an introgression signal in Oceania and to a lesser extent across Asia (D2), another apparently restricted to New Guinea and nearby islands (D1), and a third in East Asia and Siberia (D0). This suggests that Denisovans were capable of crossing major geographical barriers, including the persistent sea lanes that separated Asia from Wallacea and New Guinea. They therefore spanned an incredible diversity of environments, from temperate continental steppes to tropical equatorial islands. The emerging picture suggests that far from moving into sparsely inhabited country, modern humans experienced repeated and persistent interactions as they expanded out of Africa into this highly structured archaic landscape across Eurasia. This genetic contact yielded a rich legacy, including hundreds of gene variants that continue to contribute to the adaptive success of anatomically modern humans today."


The paper explicitly mentions their seafaring capabilities, and also, that they survived until quite recently, far longer than the Neanderthals:


" this would imply that at least some Denisovan populations had the ability to cross large bodies of water, such as the one represented by the Wallace Line. This idea does not seem implausible given archaeological evidence of archaic hominin dispersals—notably, the discovery of stone tools in the Philippines dating to 700 kya (Ingicco et al., 2018) and the related finding of H. floresiensis on the island of Flores (Brown et al., 2004), both across substantial water boundaries that persisted throughout the Pleistocene. Such geographical barriers would limit gene flow and might help to explain the extent of divergence between the D1 Denisovan population and other Denisovan groups. Second, the late date for the D1 introgression and geographic structure in modern populations suggests that Denisovans survived until 30 kya, and perhaps as recently as 14.5 kya. This is longer than Neanderthals, who died out around 40 kya."


Capabilities that could have taken them along the eastern shores of Asia, into America.


Clearly, a complex pattern is being pieced together in Asia, with the Denisovans appearing to have been well established there long before the "Out of Africa" event.



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Jules Verne's hippo in Chilean Patagonia


Back in 2009 I posted about refernces on the Patagonian hippopotamus.


In it I noted that Jules Verne had mentioned this animal in one of his books (Deux Ans de vacances), from where (see page 250) is the text quoted below, which I translated from its original French into English. In it, he mentions the hippopotamus:


"Around eight o'clock, while the team was painfully making its way along the edge of the bog, the shouts of Cross and Webb, who were walking a little ahead, brought Doniphan running first, then the others after him.
In the middle of the Bogwoods mud, about a hundred paces away, wallowed an enormous animal that the young hunter immediately recognized. It was a hippopotamus, fat and pink, which—fortunately for him—disappeared beneath the thick tangle of the marsh before it could be shot. What good, anyway, was such a useless shot!
"What's that big beast?" asked Dole, quite worried just from having glimpsed it.
"It's a hippopotamus," Gordon replied.
"A hippopotamus!... What a funny name!" "It's like a river horse," replied Briant.
"But it doesn't look like a horse!" Costar remarked very aptly.
"No!" cried Service, "and I think we would have done better to call it a pigpotamus!"


page from a book
Hippopotamus text. Jules Verne

The original English language translation appeared in 1889 as a two-volume edition "Two Year's Vacation". It was also published in the UK under the name "Adrift in the Pacific".


On page 165 Verne also has the marooned boys find a ñandú, the South American ostrich, a distant relative of the African ostrich. They also hunted guanacos on the island.


Below is an engraving from the book (source) with the castaways lasooing guanacos in a thick forest.


deux ans de vacances plate

There are no ñandús or guanacos on the western side of the Andes, they don't live in the rain-drenched islands along the coast. They are creatures of the arid steppe, to the east of the Andes. Right animals, wrong place. In the case of the hippopotamus, it is wrong animal, wrong place. Why would Verne place a hippopotamus on the island?


The boys are shipwrecked on an Island on the Southwestern Pacific coast of Chile, they named it Chairman Island, after their boarding-school in Auckland, New Zealand. The real island would probably be Hannover Island.


The castaways manage to get back to civilization and reach Punta Arenas, Chile.


Hippos in South America


There have been references (see my 2009 post) about hippos in South America, and I have found another one.


Thomas Ewbank, in his work "A Description of the Indian Antiquities Brought from Chile and Peru" published in 1855, (see pages 134 and 135 displays an image (below, red arrow "I") and comments that "Figure I. Is a calcareous stone, wrought in imitation of a bear or hippopotamus. The resemblance to the latter is the greatest; but the difficulty is, how ancient Peruvians could obtain a knowldege of that animal."


Peruvian statues animal-shaped
Hippopotamus-like sculpture, Peru. Source

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Sunday, September 28, 2025

Homo Heidelbergensis lived in Glacial Britain 712 to 424 ky ago


Our distant relatives and ancestors managed to survive in the icy and frozen wastelands of northern Britain 712 to 424 kya according to a paper published on Sep. 1, 2025.

These people were not Homo sapiens they were Homo heidelbergensis which we believe are the stock from which Neanderthals, Denisovans, and we originated from.


Read the article: Key, A., Clark, J., Lauer, T. et al. Hominin glacial-stage occupation 712,000 to 424,000 years ago at Fordwich Pit, Old Park (Canterbury, UK). Nat Ecol Evol (2025). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41559-025-02829-x


The site reveals that these people were well adapted to living in cold places. They also found tools of different people. The early occupants of the site lived there between 773 and 607 ky and used acheulean tools (first developed by H. erectus). This period was cold. This is "evidence of the earliest known Acheulean bifaces in northern Europe". Ths site was inhabited again some two hundred thousand years later (420 ky) by another group of hominins that also used Acheulean tools.


The paper stresses the fact that this site "provides evidence for Lower Palaeolithic hominins [and] early human presence above 51° latitude during a glacial stage and handaxe production in northern Europe from MIS 17 to 16".


The paper states that these people "could, therefore, have had the cultural and technological attributes necessary to survive in these cooler climates and ecologies." The authors reckon that they occupied this area during a cold but not glacial period, when there were grasslands and grazing animals in the area. Yet they don't rule out habitation during a colder period either, the evidence hints at a "potentially summer-only occupation and even ice-proximal conditions." At that time, the glacial front was only 65 km north of the site. Walls of ice marked the limit of habitability. There is little evidence of trees in the area and the plants recovered from the site suggest it was similar to the Siberian steppe.


However, the oldest evidence for controlled fire in Europe is more recent, some 300 to 400 thousand years ago. We don't know if these people in Britain used fire. Did they burn dung in the absence of wood? or did they burn bones? In any case, it shows that people with less cranial capacity than modern humans or our more recent relatives, the Neanderthals and Denisovans, could cope with cold, icy climates and survive. This means that they could have done the same in Northeastern Asia (Northern China, Manchuria, and Siberia) on their way into America at any time between 700 and 400 ky.


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Thursday, September 25, 2025

MUC19, Denisovans, and Amerindians.


Denisovans seem to have provided Native Americans with genes that protected them from disease.


A paper published last August (Fernando A. Villanea et al. ,The MUC19 gene: An evolutionary history of recurrent introgression and natural selection. Science 389, eadl0882 (2025). DOI:10.1126/science.adl0882), suggests that Denisovans supplied Amerindians with genetic material that helped them adapt to their new environment when they reached America.


The authors report an introgression in some non-Africans, of "a mosaic region of archaic ancestry: a small Denisovan-like haplotype (72-kb) embedded in a larger Neanderthal haplotype (742-kb), that was inherited through Neanderthals who themselves acquired Denisovan ancestry from an earlier introgression event...
the [importance of the] gene MUC19... as a candidate to study adaptive introgression; one of the haplotypes that span this gene in modern humans is of archaic origin, as modern humans inherited this haplotype from Neanderthals who in turn inherited it from Denisovans, and the haplotype introduced nine missense mutations that are at high frequency in both Indigenous and admixed American populations. Individuals with the archaic haplotype carry a massive coding VNTR expansion relative to the nonarchaic haplotype and their functional differences may help explain how mainland Indigenous Americans adapted to their environments.
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The authors explain that a 72-kb "Denisovan-like haplotype" was found in Neanderthals and modern humans (excluding Africans who didn't admix with Neanderthals as these never lived in that continent) and that it was nested within a "larger Neanderthal haplotype". So the Denisovans provided their bit of genetic materials to Neanderthals, and we inherited it, and also Neanderthal genetic material from the latter.


The interesting part is that the Altai Neanderthal (from central Asia) which is around 120,000 years old, "does not harbor the Denisovan-like haplotpe" (the 72-kb region) but those from Europe, the Chagyrskaya and Vindija Neanderthals carry it. These are younger (44 to 59,000 years old).


The lack of this haplotype in Neanderthals from Altai, led the authors to conclude that the Denisovans who carried this 72 kb-region "may not be closely related to Altai Denisovan" group. It was some other Densiovan population.


The study also found that within the "...in the core 72-kb region... some modern humans carry two Denisovan-specific synonymous mutations and nine Denisovan-specific nonsynonymous mutations." The nine Denisovan-specific missense variants are found in pre-Hispanic remains at frequencies that vary between 31.6% and 40.6%. That is, before Europeans (and their African slaves) reached America.


As expected, they are also found in admixed American populations (Amerindian plus other human groups) at frequencies that range between 6.9% and 30.5%, which is logical since the influx of Old World people into America must have diluted this ancient genetic component.

And, yes, it is much lower: 0.5% to 15.7% among modern European and South and East Asians.


Within the Mexican (MXL) group these nine mutations of Denisovan origin reach a 30.5% frequency! It is around 22% among Peruvians (PEL), 7% among Colombians (CLM), and 9% in Puerto Rico (PUR).


The paper also looked into Africans, analyzing 44 samples and only one of them turned up with the nine Denisovan mutations (a frequency below 1.1%). Clearly the Denisovans didn't admix inside Africa. Since this single case was a Khomani San individual, supposedly carrying ancient genes, and belonging to a population which diverged from the rest of mankind over 100,000 years ago (according to the Out of Africa theory) it is something that has to be explained.


This single San person carried all of the nine Denisovan missense variants. The authors explain this as follows "The sequence divergence between this San haplotype and the archaic MXL haplotype at the 72-kb region is high (0.001342), further supporting the origin of the archaic haplotype in non-Africans as introgressed... Finding a divergent haplotype in the San is consistent with a previous study, as ~1% of their ancestry can be attributed to lineages that diverged from the main human lineage more than 1 million years ago... Furthermore, we cannot determine whether this variant found its way into the San through modern admixture of non-African ancestry into Sub-Saharan populations." In other words, they got it from some ancestor of Denisovans or, through recent admixture with modern non-Africans. I tend to choose the latter.


Could it be possible that a band of Neanderthals reached America long ago, after trysting with Denisovans, and the later waves of Homo sapiens mingled with them, picked up their mutations?


It is also likely that after the "Great Dying" that wiped out 80 to 90% of Amerindians (European-borne diseases like flu, measles, smallpox, etc. in the early 1500s) those who survived were the ones carrying multiple VNTRs, that provided them with higher immunity.


The "Great Dying" is unique in modern history, and always ignored when studying Native American populations. It caused millions to die, and their genetic history is lost. Modern Americans with Amerindian genes don't carry those of the people who died then. It killed almost all of the Native Americans, altering the genetic makeup of those who survived. But this is, as I said above, ignored.



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Tuesday, September 23, 2025

Capibara in Patagonia?


Though most rodents are small (i.e.,mice) the largest extant rodent, the South American capybara (capibara) or carpincho (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris), can weigh up to 80 kg (180 lb.)


Carpincho is the name given by the Spanish speakers of the River Plate region to the capybara, a word originated from its Guaraní language name “capiigüá.”


It is found across the South American wetlands and in the basins of the Orinoco, Amazon and Paraná-Plata rivers. It is well adapted to living in this habitat. The carpincho is an aquatic hog-like animal, stout and with thick, bushy reddish hair. They have partially webbed feet.


capybara
Capybara. Source

In Patagonia?


In the northernmost tip of Patagonia (36°50’S, 70°40’W - spot marked with a yellow star in our online map.) at the confluence of the Varvarco and Neuquén Rivers, Alegría and Belver compiled reports from the locals about the presence of a four-legged creature that had been seen there/p>

"In the pools of the Varvarco and Neuquén in front of Invernada Vieja, it is a ‘bear’… the size of a small calf, with fins on its front legs… some maintain that it could be the survivor of the extinct ‘huillines’ (of the carpincho type) that existed in large amounts in this area, large as pigs, which were hunted because with their hairy hide they made excellent saddle mat."


See : Alegría, H. and Belver, I. (2007). Tradiciones del Norte Neuquino. Neuquén, Argentina, Escritores del Caleuche. pp 187. Cited by Eduardo G. y Marina Ottone. (2021) Coipos, huillines y el oso de varvarco. Historia Natural (tercera serie), 11 (1): 149-163.


The huillines mentioned above are Patagonian Otters (Lontra provocax), but note how the authors describe it as being "of the carpincho type", what do they mean by that? A fat, big otter? Being the size of a calf is quite large. There is no such type of otters in Patagonia. The most parsimonious explanation is that they were actual capybaras (carpinchos).

Map


Our interactive map shows the main rivers in northern Patagonia and how they could be linked to the Plata-Paraná basin.


Sowé or Soven


There was another reference to capybaras in La Pampa, by a woman of native ancestry, Mrs. Ángela Mariqueo who was a Ranquel. She gave the creature a Ranquel name: “Soven” or “Sowé”. Stieben wrote about here description, and commented: "she described it as a fierce animal of the lagoons of the central part of La Pampa province." See the wetland and lagoons in my map.


Carpinchos don't seem fierce, in fact they are quite tame and non-aggressive. Which makes me wonder why would Mariqueo describe them like that.


However, this supports the idea that the capybara reached the Wetlands of Bañados del Atuel following the Salado and Vallimanca Rivers, the Encadenadas (chained) lakes and then the more or less wet temporary lagoons along the Utracán and General Acha valleys (all marked in my map). From the wetlands they could have spread across the Curacó-Salado basin, into the Colorado River and then, after bridging an arid gap, reached the Neuquén, Negro and Limay rivers.

swimming capybara
Swimming capybara family. Source

Currently (source: Bolkovic, María Luisa; Quintana, Rubén; Cirignoli, Sebastián; Perovic, Pablo G.; Eberhardt, Ayelen; Byrne, Soledad; Bareiro, Ricardo ; Porini, Gustavo (2019). Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris. En: SAyDS–SAREM (eds.) Categorización 2019 de los mamíferos de Argentina según su riesgo de extinción. Lista Roja de los mamíferos de Argentina) they can be found further north, but close to the Patagonia.


They have been seen in La Pampa, along the Quinto River between the towns of Sarah and Larroudé (red marker in my map).


They are also reported in the Southwestern region of Buenos Aires province, west of Bahía Blanca and Sierra de la Ventana. It is connected to the Vallimanca-Salado Rivers basin and to the "chained" lakes (Encadenadas).


Another route of access into Patagonia was the now submerged continental shelf, which during the peak of the Pleistocene ice ages, was exposed and covered a vast area with vegetation, rivers and forests. Research provides additional proof; a paper published in 2024 (Pinaya, J.L.D., Pitman, N.C.A., Cruz, F.W. et al. Humid and cold forest connections in South America between the eastern Andes and the southern Atlantic coast during the LGM. Sci Rep 14, 2080 (2024).) [LGM is the Last Glacial Maximum, 19,0000 to 29,000 years ago] confirms that there is:


"strong evidence for the establishment of ecological corridors linking Andean, Atlantic and Amazonian regions under the relatively cool and moist climates of the LGM, which favored the migration of various plant and animal groups […] The significant sea level fall of ca. 120 m exposed the South American Continental Shelf, which could have created an important migration corridor for different southern Andean plant species to migrate northwards and colonize areas of the Brazilian Atlantic coast. Our data suggests that this vast coastal corridor was possibly covered by temperate-like forest with prevalent Andean floristic affinities in the south and a more Atlantic floristic composition in the north."


The authors note that the Southern Atlantic Continental Shelf Connectivity (SACS) had forests that included Araucaria and Drimys, which are still found in the southern Andean woods. They add that this continental shelf exposed an area of 1.94 million km2 (750,000 sq.mi.) "equivalent in size to the combined areas of France, Spain, Germany, Italy and the United Kingdom."



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Sunday, September 21, 2025

The 1922 Plesiosaur was probably a Turtle or Crocodile


Back in 1922, while the expedition was searching for the Plesiosaur that Sheffield had said he'd seen in a tiny lagoon close to his home near the Epuyen River, many looked on with a skeptic attitude.


Below is the text from an article published in the New York Times (HINT 'PLESIOSAURUS' WAS A HUGH TURTLE; Dr. Lucas and Washington Scientists Scoff at Tale of Finding Monster in Patagonia) published on March 8, 1922, mocking the expedition.


"Dr. F. A. Lucas, director of the Museum of Natural History, does not credit the report that a plesiosaurus, an amphibian of the Mesozoic period, generally believed to exist only in fossil form, has been seen alive in Patagonia.
'It is very unlikely that a plesiosaurus has been seen,' said Dr. Lucas yesterday. 'It is possible that something has been seen, but not a plėsiosaurus. It has been my experience that the nearer one goes to the source of such reports the less people seem to know about them. Nobody seems to know just how these wild reports start. Not long ago a report was circulated that a glyptodon, a genus of large extinct mammals of the order of edentata, related to the armadillos, had been seen in New Zealand.'
'As nearly as I can recall, no fossil remains of plesiosauri have been found in South America, but I know of no reason why they should not exist there. The most recent remains found in this country date from the Cretaceous period. It is barely possible that the animal seen was a large fresh-water turtle or a crocodile, though Patagonia is far south for a crocodile.'
WASHINGTON, March 7. - Professor Gilmore of the National Museum and N. Hollister of the National Zoological Park said today that they were of the opinion that such animals as plesiosauri vanished from the earth long ago.
'The last positive evidence of such creatures running at large,' said Professor Gilmore, dates back some 10,000,000 years. So far as scientists are aware, no such animal has been seen since that period. I would not hesitate in advising that the subject be dismissed.'
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Scientists


These men were authorities, and they made a good point.


Frederic Augustus Lucas, (1852-1929) was a naturalist, director of the American Museum of Natural History from 1911 to 1924, and honorary director until his death. He was an authority on vertebrate anatomy.


Charles Whitney Gilmore (1874–1945) was an renown paleontologist who worked with dinosarus during his career at what then was the United States National Museum (now the National Museum of Natural History).


Ned Hollister (1876-1924) was a naturalist, and between 1910 and 1916 served as Assistant Curator in the Division of Mammals, United States National Museum. Then he became the Superintendent of the National Zoological Park in Washington, where he worked until his death.


Comments


The New Zealand glyptodon is an interesting story, since there were no native mammals in the islands because it split from Gondwana before the first mammals appeared. It only had birds and reptiles, but no mammals. It is the first time I have read about it, but I have not been able to find any references to this sighting.


The suggestion that if there is an animal, it may be "a large fresh-water turtle or a crocodile" is reasonable. Nevertheless, Lucas points out that there are no known crocs in Patagonia. I agree with this possibility.


plesiosaurus
Plesiosaur from an article published in Buenos Aires in 1912.

The image above was published in 1912 ( Fray Mocho: semanario festivo, literario, artístico y de actualidades. (1912). En Busca de un Nuevo Monstruo. Argentina. Año 1, N° 11.) and its caption reads: "A plesiosaur, a species who mister König believes the mysterious inhabitant of Lake Pueyrredón belongs to."

This sighting at Lake Pueyrredón took place ten years before Sheffield's sighting.


Of course, Plesiosaurs died out 65 million years ago. The creatures, if real, were not plesiosaurs.



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Saturday, September 20, 2025

Gigantic Turtles


Exploring the "giant turtle" option as an explanation for lake cryptids, I came across an article published in Science that mentions a giant sea turtle, the Atlantochelys mortoni


It was 3 meters from head to tail (10 feet) and looked something like contemporary loggerhead turtles. It swam in the oceans during the age of the dinosaurs some 70 to 75 million years ago.


diver and large turtle
Atlantochelys mortoni. Source

Read the article here: Nadia Whitehead (2014). Stitched-Together Fossil Reveals Giant Prehistoric Sea Turtle. Science. 25 March, 2014.


It was part of the Protostegidae family of giant sea turtles that thrived during the Cretaceous period. They were the largest turtles that have existed. Some had heads 39 inches long (1 meter). They were carnivores, and became extinct during the asteroid collision event that wiped out the dinosaurs and large reptiles.


Gigantic Amazonian Turtle


However, closer to Patagonia and closer in time, a new species was described in 2024, the freshwater turtle known as Peltocephalus maturin. It lived between 40,000 and 9,000 years ago. Its shell measured 180 centimeters long (6 feet) making it one of the largest freshwater turtles that have existed.


Currently the Asian narrow-headed turgle (Chitra chitra) is the largest one, and it is still alive! It measures 140 cm (4 ft. 7 in.). The largest freshwater turtle in South America is the freshwater tortoise in the Amazon is the Arrau turtle (Podocnemis expansa), with 110 cm (3 ft. 7 in.)


They must have been hunted by the Paleoindians who reached the Amazon area at least 12,000 years ago. If they harvested the turtle's eggs, they would have put it under pressure and eventually led to its extinction.


capibara and giant turtle
Peltocephalus maturin and capibara. Credit: Júlia d'Oliveira


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Friday, September 19, 2025

Supergigantic land tortoise from Argentina


This post shares a paper published in April 2025, about a supergigantic land tortoise discovered in the temperate regions of Argentina in Upper Pleistocene sediments, the Chelonoidis pucara


Paper: Agnolín, F. L., & Chimento, N. R. (2025). A GIANT AMONG GIANTS: A NEW LAND TORTOISE FROM THE PLEISTOCENE OF THE ARGENTINE PAMPAS. RIVISTA ITALIANA DI PALEONTOLOGIA E STRATIGRAFIA , 131(2). https://doi.org/10.54103/2039-4942/27229

I hadn't considered tortoises or their aquatic relatives, the freshwater turtles as an option for lake monsters in Patagonia until watching the movie "Bajo Superficie" and reading about its Director suggesting that the animal could be a gigantic freshwater turtle.


I have posted about the existing turtles in the region. And will look into prehistoric specimens that were coeval with the Paleoindians around 12,000 years ago.


The paper by Agnolín and Chimento suggests that gigantism was an evolutionary trend that a large body size provided an advantage in retaining heat and promoting higher metabolic levels. The authors even go as far as stating that " The occurrence of C. pucara in semiarid environments gives some in-direct support to this ypothesis, suggesting some kind of endothermy in these extinct taxa, meaning it had a rudimentary system for maintaining its body temperature warm like mammals and birds (reptiles, amphibians, are "cold blooded" and can't heat their bodies by internal metabolic means).


The paper also says they were predators: " It is possible that supergigantic tortoises, such as C. pucara, may have had similar habits with opportunistic scavenging and predation."




#8 is the C. pucara" a big supergigantic tortoise. Source

They coexisted with humans who may have caused their extinction: "Chelonoidis pucara is the youngest extinct tor-toise from the Upper Pleistocene of Argentina. Cione et al. (2003) postulated that giant tortoise ex-tinction at the end of the Pleistocene was the re-sult of a combination of early human exploitation and extreme and frequent periodic climate which led to changes in temperature, humidity, and habitat modification."


Beasts like a supergigantic tortoise are myth-making creatures.


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Thursday, September 18, 2025

Palau Islands "pygmies"


Two papers on the Palau "pygmies", one in favor, the other against, followed by two more (one in favor, the other by the same author who was against the pygmies, also against them in the second paper -as would be expected).


Both look at a small bodied Homo sapiens remains discovered in the Palauan Islands, in Micronesia. They were dated to a recent age, from 940 to 2890 cal ybp. They appear to represent a case of human insular dwarfism. They also appear to have "primitive" features. One of the papers (Berger et al.) suggest that when human beings shrink in size, the outcome is a modification of some features resulting in a "primitive" appearance, but this does not imply they are in fact primitive like the Flores island Hobbit


The other paper argues that the people are of a normal size (Fitzpatrick, Nelson and Clark).


Yes, they were pygmies


Source: Berger LR, Churchill SE, De Klerk B, Quinn RL (2008), Small-Bodied Humans from Palau, Micronesia. PLOS ONE 3(3): 10.1371/annotation/0b1a375a-ea43-4586-824f-05bc5b359d63. https://doi.org/10.1371/annotation/0b1a375a-ea43-4586-824f-05bc5b359d63


"Our findings do suggest, however, that a number of the morphological features considered either primitive for the genus Homo (e.g., small brain size, enlarged supraorbital tori, and absence of chins) ... may emerge as developmental correlates of small body size in pygmoid populations...
Based on the evidence from Palau, we hypothesize that reduction in the size of the face and chin, large dental size and other features noted here may in some cases be correlates of extreme body size reduction in H. sapiens. These features when seen in Flores may be best explained as correlates of small body size in an island adaptation, regardless of taxonomic affinity.
"


No, they are not pygmies


The second paper (Fitzpatrick SM, Nelson GC, Clark G (2008) Small Scattered Fragments Do Not a Dwarf Make: Biological and Archaeological Data Indicate that Prehistoric Inhabitants of Palau Were Normal Sized. PLoS ONE 3(8): e3015. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0003015) states that they aren't a group of midget humans, but normal-sized people.


"Current archaeological evidence from Palau in western Micronesia indicates that the archipelago was settled around 3000–3300 BP by normal sized populations; contrary to recent claims, they did not succumb to insular dwarfism."


They argue that Berger et al. used a small sample and is not significant, that they measured "smaller-bodied individuals" which biased the outcome.


Who is right?

A third paper (Gallagher A. Size variation in small-bodied humans from palau, micronesia. PLoS One. 2008;3(12):e3939. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0003939. Epub 2008 Dec 17. PMID: 19088844; PMCID: PMC2596964.) sides with Berger's findings:


"Analyses of within-group variability confirm that Palauan postcrania are neither excessively variable nor excessively small. All specimens included in this study approximate the size ranges of African Pygmies and Southeast Asian Negritos... Evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that the pioneer colonists of Palau were small-bodied."


Further excavations by Fitzpatrick led to another publication in 2017 (Stone JH, Fitzpatrick SM, Napolitano MF. Disproving claims for small-bodied humans in the Palauan archipelago. Antiquity. 2017;91(360):1546-1560. doi:10.15184/aqy.2017.184) which again criticized Berger: "Recent excavation at Ucheliungs Cave in Palau has provided new evidence in the debate concerning the colonisation of the Palauan archipelago... The results of this research here discount earlier claims for insular dwarfism among the earliest inhabitants of these islands."

Palau and Flores Islands. by Austin Whittall

It is interesting how the same evidence can be interpreted in totally different ways! What is your take on these Palauan small-bodied people?



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Wednesday, September 17, 2025

Mammoths and the Early Peopling of America


A paper published in Nature on Sept. 1, 2025 studied the mtDNA of the American mastodon, Mammut americanum, and concluded that they arrived in different waves to America from Asia, and that they moved about North America as the ice sheets came and went.


Paper: Karpinski, E., Hackenberger, D., Zazula, G. et al. American mastodon mitochondrial genomes suggest multiple dispersal events in response to Pleistocene climate oscillations. Nat Commun 11, 4048 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-020-17893-z


They went and came with the advancing and retreating glaciers: "American mastodons only occupied higher latitudes (i.e., Canada and Alaska) during interglacials, when prevailing warm climatic conditions supported the establishment of forests and wetlands." When the ice sheets advanced, they retreated southwards, away from the polar regions.


The authors wonder why this happened time and time again, but after the last ice age, it didn't: " However, this pattern also poses further questions: for example, why were species that had managed to repeatedly expand into the northernmost parts of North America during previous interglacials unable to do so following the return to interglacial conditions after the last glacial maximum (~21 kya)? Were they already in severe decline?


The answer is obvious, by the last Ice Age 21 kya, human beings were well established in America, wiping out the megafauna. So this ended the pattern.


If mammoths managed to cope with the harsh polar environment and move into America, humans could have done the same, during any of the low-sea-level periods at the peak of each ice age. Below is an image from this paper showing when those windows of opportunity opened.

ice ages Oxygen isotope concentrations
δ18O record. From the Nature Paper.

The caption for this image reads: "a Global stack of benthic foraminifera δ18O for the last 1 million years, which tracks changes in deep-water temperature and global ice volume. The y-axis has been inverted so that periods of low ice buildup (and higher temperatures—red) are at the top of the graph, and periods of greater ice buildup (and lower temperatures—blue) are at the bottom. Marine Isotope Stage (MIS) extents are indicated with black bars above (interglacials) or below (glacials) the δ18O record." We marked with red arrows the periods where a "bridge" would have formed in Beringia. See how many!



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Tuesday, September 16, 2025

Garrett: The first sighting of "Nahuelito"


The first reference about Nahuelito, was published in 1922, during the media uproar following the news about a live plesiosaur in Patagonia. Which of course turned out to be unfounded (these reptiles died out with the dinosaurs 65 million years ago.)


Mr. George Garret


There are countless references on the Internet about a Mr. Garrett who lived or worked in a ranch or a company in the area and who saw the monster back in 1910. I have also mentioned him in my book. However I have asked myself if he really existed.


The story is that he was working for a company by Lake Nahuel Huapi in 1910. At that time the town of San Carlos de Bariloche was a small village, 15-years-old, and there were no roads in the region, mostly trails. It took four days to ride the 120 km (75 mi) between Villa la Angostura and Bariloche. No wonder most goods, lumber, cattle, horses and people moved by boat across the lake.


George Garret is quoted as saying the following:


...we were beating windward up an inlet called 'Pass Coytrue,' which bounded the peninsula. This inlet was about five miles in length, a mile or so in width, and of an unfathomable depth. Just as we were near the rocky shore of the peninsula, before tacking, I happened to look astern towards the centre of the inlet, and, to my great surprise, I saw about a quarter of a mile to leeward, an object which appeared to be 15 or 20 feet in diameter, and perhaps six feet above the water. After a few minutes, the monster disappeared. On mentioning my experience to my neighbours... they said the Indians often spoke of immense water animals they had seen from time to time."


The quote above is said to have come from an article in the Toronto Globe, published on April 6, 1922, twelve years after this sighting took place (source). I have never been able to see the original article in the newspaper.


Pass Coytrue, does not exist, but the inlet mentioned is no other than the Huemul arm of the lake, at the base of the arm, is Paso Coihue. So it is the right spot! Below is an aerial view of the Huemul Arm, looking towards the SW (north is to the left).


Brazo Huemul lago Nahuel Huapi
Huemul Arm, lake Nahuel Huap

Paso Coihue is at the base of the arm, in the distance. Below is a map I prepared, showing the same view:



There are references to a Garrett family settling in this area:


  • "the inhabitants of the Huemul Peninsula area and to the east, up to the Limay River, mostly English speakers like the Bell, Newbery, Garrett, Jones and Neil families". Source
  • "Some writings report that well-known settlers around the lake had their own sailing vessels, for example: Millaqueo, Tauscheck, Eggers, Garrett, Potthoff, Macías, Nahuelquín, used mainly for transport and transfers.". Source
  • "Easton Garrett, having sold it. E. Garrett, settler and associated with the "La Península" Estancia [Ranch] (later Huemul), owned by the Livestock and Settlement Company." Source (see comments).

So this estancia, is where Garrett worked. Was he a settler at the Colony by Lake Nahuel Huapi? An area which was opened to homesteaders in 1902, along the shores of the lake.


It was created by an Executive Decree in 1902 based on the Homestead Act, and it granted lots of up to 655 ha (~1,600 acres). There were 133 lots, and over 230 people who had applied. They had to live on the property for 5 years, invest pesos 250 (a horse cost around 25 pesos), cultivate 10 ha. and plant 200 trees, after which they obtained the deed for the land. Or, they could buy it for pesos 500. In 1902, one U.S. Dollar was worth 2.35 Pesos (papel) Argentinos, so the property would cost 1,175 USD of those days, equivalent nowadays to 44,133 USD. Very cheap!


Below is a map of the Colony (source), notice that the area where Paso Coihue is located (red dot) was not included. The land east and south of it, along the shore of the lake and on Huemul Peninsula was already occupied by the estancias of Rodolfo Harrington, Jarred Jones, and Marcos M. Zorrilla, Anchorena owned Victoria Island, and on the south side of the lake, Estancia El Cóndor, and Sinforoso Medina had their estancias. These were large estates which had been granted before the homestead decree. The government had handed over vast stretches of fiscal land to the families that ruled Argentina (the Desert Campaign to eliminate the Indians in Patagonia had been financed with a bond, based on the sale of the fiscal land that would be added to the nation). The soldiers, and officers received land, but they mostly sold it at bargain prices to the aristocracy who formed vast ranches. Foreigners also bought land, like the Livestock and Settlement Company. Maybe Garret was an employee of this company.


map lake NAHUEL HUAPI COLONIA AGRICOLA GANADERA

In 1923 a National Park was created in this area, and all these homesteads and estancias were included within it. They gradually vanished over the course of the years. The park was organized in 1937 and many homesteads were revoked after being reviewed.



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Monday, September 15, 2025

Lake Nahuel Huapi and its 1960 Tsunami


Few people know that Lake Nahuel Huapi experienced a freshwater tsunami in 1960. This is an extremely rare phenomenon, and it had some nasty consequences on the coastline and the city and port of San Carlos de Bariloche.


Valdivia earthquake of 1960


The "1960 Valdivia Earthquake" or "Great Chilean Earthquake" was the largest earthquake ever recorded: its magnitude was 9.5 to 9.6.


It took place on May 22, 1960, and killed between 1000 and 6000 people, and provoked tsunamis that rushed across the Pacific Ocean and struck New Zealand, Australia, Hawaii, the Aleutian Islands and Northwestern Asia. The tsunami also battered the coast of Chile, and the tremor caused a tsunami in Lake Nahuel Huapi.

The Lake Tsunami


Those on the lake's shores saw the water recede from the beaches and return as a wave front that was 5 m (16 ft.) high. It razed the local port and killed two people.


A paper published in 2009 analyzed the lake tsunami, and why the port was razed (Villarosa, G., Outes, V. ., Gomez, E. A., Chapron, E., & Ariztegui, D. . (2009). Origen del tsunami de mayo de 1960 en el lago Nahuel Huapi, Patagonia: aplicación de técnicas batimétricas y sísmicas de alta resolución. Revista De La Asociación Geológica Argentina, 65(3), 593-597. Retrieved from https://revista.geologica.org.ar/raga/article/view/891).


The authors concluded, after analyzing the lake bed by the port, that "The impact of the seismic waves produced huge mass-failure below 70-80 m water depth. Thefailure was probably induced by the presence of a non-cohesive surface (tephra layer?) that acted as a sliding surface, and the mobilized material evolved into a mega turbidite in the deep basin. A large volume of water was displaced by the mobilization ofthese sediments producing a tsunami that hit the coasts of Bariloche and destroyed the harbor of the city."


It was a period of activity along the edge of the tectonic plates in Southern South America, the Nazca Plate subducts beneath the South American Plate and provokes earthquakes and volcanic activity along a line running beneath the Andes. The first quake shook Concepción (Chile) on May 21st. with an 8.1 magnitude. The next day two new quakes (7.8 and 7.1 magnitude) hit Concepción again, followed by the record-breaking 9.5 quake of Valdivia. It triggered the eruption of the Puyehue-Cordón Caulle volcano on May 24th which spewed ashes on Lake Nahuel Huapi and the City of Bariloche. Below is a view of the eruption.


volcano erupting, lake in foreground
Puyehue-Caulle erupting in 1960 seen from Bariloche.

Bariloche Port


The port of San Carlos was originally built in the 1930s and consisted of a timber pier (Pictured below in 1937).


pier on a lake
San Carlos port, Bariloche, 1937

The port was enlarged with an enclosure along its northern side as can be seen in the picture below from the early 1950s.

port with ship, on a lake
San Carlos port, 1950s

It was damaged by a fire in 1958 and rebuilt. Then the tsunami destroyed it. Below are some pictures taken after the tsunami. Some ships in the port survived, others sank.


razed port
port
wreckage of a port

The tourist ships that visited Victoria Island, Puerto Blest and the Arrayán forest on Quetrihue Peninsula, moved their operations to the port of Llao Llao, Puerto Pañuelo port. It took decades for a new port to be built on the site of the old one. The port modern can be seen below.



There have been other tsunamis in the past


Geologic sampling of the sediments in the lakes Moreno, El Trébol, and Escondido, on the southern side of Lake Nahuel Huapi, (see the Thesis - Eventos paleoambientales en la cuenca del Lago Nahuel Huapi registrados en testigos sedimentarios lacustres durante los últimos 19.000 años, Lirio, Juan Manuel) found that the Nahuel Huapi paleolake (known as Lake Elpalafquen) had a higher water level than the current lake. It was closed in on its eastern tip by the terminal moraines of the glaciers that occupied the lake's basin during the last Ice Ages. The paleolake levels fell in three different stages, from 45 m to 17.5 m, and 6 m above the current water levels. These drops were associated with seismic-volcanic events recorded in the sediment cores analyzed by the authors:


"The erosional unconformities identified in the sedimentary cores are covered by tephra layers several centimeters thick, suggesting the existence of seismic events prior to the tephra collapse, similar to those recorded during the Valdivia earthquake on Lake Nahuel Huapi."


  • 19,081 ± 0,274 ky cal BP the water of the paleolake stood 47 m higher than its current, reaching 815 m above sea level.
  • The first descent took place 16,840 ± 0,250 ky cal BP.
  • Another event 16,381 ± 0,269 ky cal BP also impacted on lake levels cutting off the basin of Lake Guillelmo and Lake Mascardi from the Nahuel Huapi basin, as it modified the marsh that separates Mascardi from Lake Gutierrez, leading the former to drain towards the Pacific Ocean (through the Manso and Puelo rivers), and shifting the continental watershed eastwards.
  • 15,537 ± 0,249 ky cal BP the lake level dropped to 17.5 m above its present level.
  • Followed by another decrease 14,680 ± 0,261 ky cal BP that left it 6 m above the current lake level.
  • 1,750 years BP the lake dropped to its current level of 768 m above sea level.

These eartquake-induced lake level fluctuations were catastrophic events. The author writes: "It is possible that several of them would have catastrophic characteristics for the Limay River basin, dumping a large volume of water in a very short time; e.g., the author estimated that a 10-m drop in the Nahuel Huapi Lake basin would contribute a volume of 6.2 km3 of water to the Limay River."


A massive downstream flood.


paleolake Nahuel Huapi and current one
Lake Elpalafquen and Modern Lakes. Source

So the gradual breakage of the eastern terminal moraine due to quakes led to a lower lake level, and erosion of the moraine between these events reduced the level even further. Notice how in the past, lakes Espejo and Corentoso (top left and right), and Gutierrez, Mascardi and Guglielmo (bottom center) were all linked as long arms to the main body which nowadays is Lake Nahuel Huapi.


These events would have had an impact on any potential cryptid living in the lake's basin.



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Sunday, September 14, 2025

Pudu Pudu swimming in a lake!


The world's smallest deer lives in Patagonia, and swims across its lakes.


Like the Patagonian deer, the Huemul, and the Red deer brougt from Europe to Patagonia, the endemic Pudu Pudu also enjoys swimming in the Patagonian lakes, and it could be mistaken for some strange lake creature if spotted by someone who is not aware of this fact.


The following video (see it online here) shows a pudu pudu swimming in a large Chilean lake.


pudu pudu swimming in a lake
Pudu Pudu deer swimming in lake Cólico, Chile. Still from a video by Ricardo Hinstz

The video was shot by Ricardo Hinstz, and it shows a pudu pudu deer swimming in Lake Cólico, in Chile's Patagonian region. The lake has a surface area of 56 km2 ( sq. mi.) and you can see its location here, in Google maps.


Pudu pudu (Pudu Puda)


The Pudu pudu is the world’s smallest deer, and it lives in the Patagonian forests. It stands only 38 cm (15 in.) high at the shoulder and 85 cm (2 ft. 7 in.) long; it weighs about 10 kg (22 lb.) Males have small antlers barely 10 cm (4 in.) long.


Pudu is a vulnerable species, and only ten thousand of them survive. They are also unique because they can go a long time without drinking water, getting the needed moisture from plants. They live in the rainforests of Patagonia’s northern Andes and on Chiloé Island and are related to the tiny Northern Pudu (Pudella mephistophiles) that lives in the Andes of Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru.


In 2024, a pudu was photographed while it swam across Lake Frias (map) in the Nahuel Huapi national park. The picture can be seen below.


swimming pudu lake with green water
Pudu swimming in Lake Frias, Argentina. Source

Some pictures of pudu-pudu.

pudu pudu deer
pudu pudu deer
Pudu Pudu deer. Sources: Top, Bottom.

Cute creatures!


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Saturday, September 13, 2025

Manta rays and sightings in lake Nahuel Huapi


Yesterday's post mentioned the movie "Bajo Superficie" (Under the Surface), which you can see online (full movie, in Spanish). After watching the movie, I looked for some additional information about it, and its director, and I came across an interesting interview, brief but revealing (Source). Below are some highlights:


The film's director, Miguel Ángel Rossi has lived in Bariloche for 35 years, while preparing the documentary, he interviewed many people over four years of research. They shared interesting stories, seldom disclosed in the media. Rossi said:

"What impressed me most during these years of research and gathering testimonies was the sense of awe for the phenomenon. Ninety-nine percent of them spoke to me without fear, wanting to see it again," Rossi said of the experiences he's received from people who claimed to have seen "Nahuelito..."


Two die colliding with the creature


But 1% of those who saw the creature felt fear. Rossi mentioned an incident:


"A woman told me the story of when they went fishing with her husband and son. The lake was flat and suddenly something came out of the lake, like the back of a whale, hit the boat, and they both died. Given that story, what can I say?"


I had never heard about this episode, so I looked it up. There are quite a few reports of small boats sinking in the lake (mostly due to wind, rocks, poorly maintained craft), and one is about a father and his son (online) about two men who drowned in June 2004, Rafael Sánchez (59 años) and his son Rafael Fernando (13), close to Gallinas Island. They had gone in a "precarious boat" with a small 5 HP motor to hunt deer on the north coast of the lake. The man's wife, and mother of the boy, called the local "911" asking for help, when they didn't return (her name is Celina Sánchez). The man's friends said he was an expert in navigating and new the area well, however they could not believe that he had set out in "a craft that was in such bad conditions". Coast Guard said the boat must have had some problem while crossing the lake between San Pedro Peninsula and Gallinas Island heading from the Castilla creek in Neuquén to Bahía Serena. Both men tried to reach the island swimming, but drowned. The bodies were found at a depth of 8 to 11 meters, wearing cloths and boots. The boat must have been overturned by the strong wind and 1 m (3 ft.) high waves. The boat was found on some rocks by the island, without its outboard engine, damaged by the stones, and an oar and three cork (!!) life jackets were found on the beach.


I have been fishing on the lake many times over the years, I remember my Dad have us take of our boots (it is cold in Bariloche, especially in the early hours of the morning, when we went fishing) and kept the lifejackets handy, even if the lake was calm. When the wind blows, it can get quite choppy. And even with a 90 HP outboard, it is rough navigating it. I can't imagine trying to cross the middle of the lake with one-meter-tall waves with a 5 HP outboard. They should have stayed in a sheltered spot. I don't believe they struck Nahuelito. They were caught by the waves, and being dressed, without a lifejacket, they were weighed down. Being June (winter!) the water is cold, and the wind chill-factor made hypothermia a deadly factor. They couldn't reach the shore and drwoned. No lake creature.


Stingrays


As expected, he also heard about the manta ray sighting, he mentioned it during the interview " The Coast Guard [Prefectura Naval] divers reported seeing fish shaped like manta rays" and they refused to get back into the water.


This "stingray" incident is shown in the movie (See movie segment: 1:17:05 in its timeline), reported by a man who was the commander of the Bariloche Gendarmería (Border Patrol) squadron. He mentions the incident involving a plane that crashed in Lake Gutierrez on January 27, 1986. The plane was a "scooper plane" that picked up water in the lake during firefighting missions. It had been leased in Chile, and was a Catalina CC-CCS/34, one of the crew died. The divers were sent to rescue the corpse. And in the movie, the person says they "saw giant manta rays and had to desist in their mission" he heard about this from his colleague, the head of the local Coast Guard division.

plane crash
The plane that crashed in Jan 1986. Source

The director also mentionded that he had an encounter with the creature: "I'm certain there's something there, and we need to identify it ... One day I saw something shaped like a log, but it moved very quickly, sank, and then came up again. It was between 5 or 6 meters long (15 to 20 ft) and very dark brown.""



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Friday, September 12, 2025

Nahuel Huapi: the movie "Bajo Superficie" and the Aquatic tortoise or turtle theory


An Argentine documentary titled "Bajo Superficie" (Under the Surface) shot during the COVID-19 pandemic and released in 2022, explores the mystery of El Nahuelito, the mythical lake creature of Lake Nahuel Huapi.


You can see the full movie online (in Spanish). It is a 2 hour 20 minute-long film, a documentary, with interviews, nice shots of the lake, and it also used an underwater camera to shoot scenes hundreds of meters below the surface. Miguel Angel Rossi directed it, and it is really interesting.


Bajo Superficie poster

Rossi has lived in Bariloche for the past 35 years, and was always interested in the Nahuelito. He tells about an incident involving an unusual sighting: (source)


Giant Aquatic Tortoise or Turtle


"Many years ago, when his daughters were young, Rossi had a strange experience: he saw something moving on a beach near the lake, and as he got closer, he saw it was an enormous aquatic turtle with a long neck. He turned it over, and the animal disappeared beneath the water once more. This led him to think that perhaps the Nahuelito could, in fact, be a turtle of extraordinary size."


His research led not only to reports on Nahuelito, but also to strange lights sighted under and above the lake, and strange shipwrecks.


He explored different theories about Nahuelito, from the "radioactive" one (involving the Atomic Energy research center on isla Huemul Island (1948-52) (see my 2010 post on this theory), to the "geologic" one, which attributes the sightings to degassing from faults in the lake's bed (See my 2010 post on this theory).


Strange Fish


The movie mentions "strange fish" that were introduced into the lake over 100 years ago. During the filming of the movie, they got images of some animals that are now being investigated. There are three species found in the lake that had not been officially recognized. "In addition to sightings of aquatic fauna species, there are concurrent accounts of experiences that are difficult to explain, many of them recorded. I believe that over time all of this will be revealed. And I hope that in a few years there will be many important productions investigating the lake's issues in all its forms."


Below is a picture with Rossi (left) on a boat in Lake Nahuel Huapi, while shooting the movie.


Rossi and colleague

The Long Necked Tortoise


Rossi says that many people contacted him after the movie was released, and he is researching different theories. The tortoise is "...one of the ones that resonates most with me. After the film's release, a family story appeared that revives a theory I'd thought was dismissed. About eight years ago, this family experienced something that hadn't happened in 70 years. It intrigues me greatly because it's directly related to what Jarred Jones and others saw in the early 20th century: a long-necked animal. I had associated it with that turtle I saw years ago, but biologists tell me there are no turtles in the lake."


I must admit that I had never considered aquatic tortoises as a possible explanation for Nahuelito. I understood there were none in the Patagonian waters. There is a land tortoise in Patagonia, but now I have learned that there are freshwater tortoises in Argentina (see this paper) there are Phrynops hilarii, Acanthochelys spixii and Acanthochelys pallidipectoris in Mendoza province, just north of Patagonia. But the authors believe that they were introduced recently (pets released into nature). However, there is an ancient oral tradition of freshwater turtles in Las Heras and Lavalle Departments in that province in the early 1900s, both drained by the Mendoza River which formed part of the Desaguadero—Salado—Curacó rivers basin.


Notice the long neck of the Acanthochelys pallidipectoris (Chaco side-necked turtle) pictured below:


turtle

An Acanthochelys spixii or Black spine-necked swamp turtle:


Acanthochelys spixii

And this is a Phrynops hilarii:


Phrynops hilarii

The Colorado River marks Patagonia’s northern border in Argentina, while the Desaguadero—Salado—Curacó system is a river which changes its name along its course, which is nearly 1,500 km long (932 mi.) Its northernmost sources are in the province of La Rioja, high in the Andes at an altitude of 5,500 m (18,000 ft.), and it flows in a north—south direction parallel to the Cordillera, receiving the input of many Andean rivers such as the Jáchal, Vinchinas, San Juan, Mendoza, Atuel, Tunuyán, and Diamante.


Water from many of these rivers is now diverted to irrigate the vineyards at the foot of the Andes in the Cuyo region provinces of La Rioja, Mendoza, and San Juan. This has led to a dramatic drop in the flow downstream along the Desaguadero River and the wetlands of Guanacache and Bañados del Atuel have dried up due to this cause, altering the environment and affecting the wildlife.


Until the early 1900s, the river carried plenty of water, and the western region of La Pampa was far more humid than it is nowadays. The Bañados del Atuel wetlands spanned 21,000 km² (8,100 sq.mi.) and had fifteen lakes. The westernmost branch of the river was known as Potrol stream, the Salado was its easternmost one. The wetlands drained into the saltwater lake of Urre Lauquen. Their outflow through the Curacó River (Mapuche for “stone water”) continues southward until it flows into the Colorado River at (38°50’S, 64°58’O). Its basin covers a surface area of 260,000 km2 (100,000 sq. mi.) The Colorado flows into the Atlantic.


It is feasible that the tortoises, if they lived in this basin, could have reached the Negro River, linked to the Neuquén and Limay rivers, and the Patagonian lake district. The Colorado and Negro run in more or less parallel courses with a minimum separation of 40 km (258 mi.) along a line linking the towns of Gobernador Duval and Chelforó. In other parts they can be up to 120 km or 74 mi apart. See the map below with the "Gap" that the tortoises would have to bridge between the Colorado and Negro rivers.


map of rivers

They are usually small, but in the U.S., the ke the Alligator Snapping Turtle (Macrochelys temminckii) which can weigh up to 176 pounds and reach a lenght of 40 inches (1 meter) (source). Not a monster, but big.


An obstacle is the temperature, the Andean lakes are cold, and these freshwater tortoises and turtles live in temperate, tropical and subtropical environments. A study involving turtles from Chaco, found that "The thermal breadth found in active individuals suggests that H.tectifera is a thermal generalist (eurythermal). Body temperatures of active individuals ranged between 10.1 °C and 25.7 °C (Mean = 18.58). Accordingly, records of individuals mating under water temperatures as low as 16.5 °C and 9 °C reflect the species capacity to perform activities within a wide temperature range.".


The temperature of Lake Nahuel Huapi (source) ranges from a minimum of 5.3°C in winter to a maximum of 19.5°C in Summer. The mean winter temperature for most of the lake is between 5.3 and 8°C, in summer it ranges from 15 to 18°C. They seem suitable for turtles. The lake also provides algae, crayfish, minnows, aquatic plants and insects, which make up the diet of these animals.


Further reading about the movie: Temporetti, Alonso. Bajo Superficie. Desde La Patagonia Difundiendo Saberes. Vol 19, N°34, 2022 ISSN (print)1668-8848 - ISSN (online) 2618-5385



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